and a 12.7 lol
i see the RWS as a HE magnet more than usefulness on that worse than rubber roof armour
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Right, so the T-80BVM gamebreakingly OP tank which requires 0 skill vs the T-90M which is… Not that at all, the difference is 8.2% This doesn’t suggest a skill issue.
Meanwhile you say that 2A6 in Germany main hands being 17% worse than French mains and 10% worse than Sweden mains is skill? I agree on this.
This would suggest that BVM is way less cracked than 2A7V which turns Germany mains from 1.028 k/d cannon fodder into 1.423 k/d demons, shows that 2A7V is insanely more OP than 2A6, a vehicle which was nerfed on addition for destroying the entire matchmaker, itself the successor to the 2A5 which also was nerfed for obliterating the matchmaker.
This seems like a quite simple inference here.
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It didn’t really get buffed. At all.
0.1 second faster reload with 3BM60…
For the 0.5 second faster reload, you need to use 3BM42.
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The stats suggest that the T80BVM and 2A7V are reasonably well balanced against eachother
The T90M is just a medicore vehicle overall ingame due to real life limitations (such as the horrible reverse gear), that gaijin cannot escape.
I’m not sure what you mean with the 2A7 vs 2A6 argument, the 2A7V is literally just an objectively better vehicle it will obviously have a better K/D. The 2A6 has a bad K/D because of gaijins awful balance choice to put it at the same BR as the 2A7V which is as I said, just way better in almost every way.
The 2A6 was nerfed in 2021 and the game is completely different now, idk why you even brought that up
Thats true, but either way, the 2A7V and T80BVM are still reasonably balanced against eachother
I know that I’ll read like a broken record, but expect a significant shift on stats this upcoming weeks.
It’s true, the T-90M and the BVM won’t get a significant change w/3BM60, but this buff is being downplayed wildly, especially with the 11.7/12.0 T-80s W/3BM46, which is actually a very competitive round, albeit being subpar to truly top rounds, but a 6s, 530mm pen is more than enough to work with a well protected MBT against butter-level protection of other hulls.
As you said, and as funny as it may sound, 3BM46 + 6 second may turn out a better combo than 3BM60 + 6.4 second reload, hahah.
0.4 may not seem like much, but it’s the difference between out-reloading a Full+Expert Leopard or not.
3BM46 is barely below average, but still sufficient against most of NATO’s underwhelming armor; and what 46 can’t pen, 60 is unlikely to pen much better.
The worst part is that you will now never know if it is a 6sec or 6.4sec reload. People will really enjoy it
I was chatting with Renzo yesterday on this same topic, and tried the T-80U-E1 on a fully uptiered 13.0 lineup, without warmup on Eastern Province, and you know that I’m not the brightest GRB player.
Got five frags almost effortlessly on basically a flat map. Give any 3BM46-based T-80 a go, the difference is really noticeable and I seriously doubt the change was necessary.
that could be a thing, yes. But the italian 2a7 has the same stats. As does the swedish strv122+
I never said it is not so good. Or that it isnt good. It clearly is one of the best mbts at top tier. Thats not really up to debate (for me at least thats quite clear).
Read the post i replied to. That person stated that the leo’s (now i dont know about which ones he was talking specifically) are the by far best tanks in the game. Which the stats simply dont show. Neither statshark nor my own (though obviously one person is way too small of a sample size because of favorable playstyle etcetc…) But i still perform about the same in every one of the top mbts of 6 different nations. It is among the best, yes. But there are several others that perform roughly the same and some even slightly better. So no, it is not “by far” the best without competition
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I am actually and genuinely considering getting T-80U-E1 just to flesh up the Top Tier lineup lmao
Nah, I have the whole Russian tree, it would be a waste xD
But it’s funny to think that it’s now probably better than T-80BVM, except for the gun handling and protection. The 6 second reload is just nice.
Because player stats mean nothing, really.
Leopard 2A7V/HU is the greatest combination of penetration power, mobility, protection, survivability, gun handling dynamics and profile.
The ONLY aspect in which it’s not the ABSOLUTE best is rate of fire. Objectively, it’s the best tank without a shade of a doubt, and some Italian chads getting similar stats on the Arietes says more about German players than it does about the capabilities of the tanks.
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BVM is also 4.5 years old now and notable wasn’t nerfed to oblivion when it got added.
Yes, and being horrid doesn’t stop USSR mains from doing OK.
Vehicle vs percentile. Should be more relevant. BVM is middle of the road. 2A7V has exceptionally high numbers.
Ridiculous.
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what does then?
yes, rate of fire. it also gets a turret basket. and skewed gun elevation angles at 90°. it doesnt get an autoloader. You need to invest an additional 1 mil sl (standard for all human reloaded tanks, but:) AND play it for ages or put in further ge to get the reload to 6.0 seconds. Dont act like theres 0 downsides on it.
i might repeat myself here…but italian players playing the leo2a7HU and swedish players on the strv122b+ have roughly the same stats…how can u explain that? Or is it then suddenly stats mean nothing because you like the leo 2a7 more?
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No it doesn’t, only the HU has, we’ve been through this
I cant be bothered arguing this anymore I dont think you really understood what i said
Those percentile numbers are also pointless, about the only thing your stats prove is that the 2A6 is overtiered significantly
…so a Leopard 2A7 and some Leopard 2A7 equivalents have similar stats to Leopard 2A7?
I mean… yeah. To be expected. (still all of them are better than V)
The point isn’t exclusively about Leopard 2A7V; it’s about all up-armored Leopard 2s, being; both 2A7s and all three 122s.
Those five tanks are better than any other to the degree than a new BR step would be warranted just for them, along with potential upcoming tanks like SEPv3.
I think you will be very disappointed by the SEP V.3 lol
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you said
firstly arietes are at a different BR
and secondly what does it say about german players when they perform the same in a similar tank like players of two other nations? This comparison doesnt make sense. If the uparmored leos are that good, way above all competition why dont even the players of “minor” nations like your gigachad italy players perform even more stellar (and stellar in this case is the same like japan, israel and russia)? should be easy for them considering they smack everything in arietes?
Now that i can agree with. with all the other top performing tanks. t80 BVM, weirdly enough Type 10 and TKX and Merk4
Well, it depends on how Gaijin implements it, hahah.
If they implement it with its proper late 2010s hull armor and improved turret + its historical M829A3 or even M829A4, then it will be neat.
If they implement it with the same damn 1979 armor, or with one barely and loosely inspired by the early 2000s prototype concept, then… yeah, big disappointment.
I can barely tell 2015 and 2025 apart, my brain is still adapting to the latest decompression before which Arietes were the same BR as the top Leopards xD
Type 10 and TKX, I would only agree if they finally had their stupidly broken steering fixed… and Merk 4… that one confuses me xD