Russia was my first ground tree (mostly bc british solid shot and new to game)
Had no interest in russian stuff tho so moved on eventually
Unfortunately technical capabilities have proven too much for the simple man to understand but percentages are easy
This argument would be entirely valid if there was an limitation on how many 3BM60 rounds you can carry considering the aforementioned limitation like the OTOMATIC, but there isn’t. You can now freely carry your entire carousel over a mix of 3BM42 and 3BM60 when facing a tough glacis once you get the first hit.
And for once, Russian mains would have to actually aim as everyone else when looking at weakspots on the T-90M/T-80BVM, is not like there’s a sin on the reload vs pen compromise I suppose?
Anyway, Gaijin should give the T-80BVM 3BM46 and just go out bluntly saying they want Russia to be fully meta on most if not any single field.
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From your own chart:
German 2A7V: 1.423 K/D
T80-BVM: 1.363 K/D
That is a whopping 4% higher than the T80BVM.
If you look at the 2A7VHU in the Italian tree, it is higher, yes, but it’s also higher than the 2A7V in the German tree, so its clearly the players and not the vehicle.
The 2A7V HU and 2A7V are basically the same thing, with the HU just being a bit heavier and having some (mostly useless) roof armour.
So the 2A7V statistically only outperforms the T80BVM when you specifically only count the one in the minor nation tree, the German 2A7V and T80BVM have practically the same K/D.
Keep in mind, the T80BVM also just got buffed… so it’s K/D will likely increase.
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and a 12.7 lol
i see the RWS as a HE magnet more than usefulness on that worse than rubber roof armour
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Right, so the T-80BVM gamebreakingly OP tank which requires 0 skill vs the T-90M which is… Not that at all, the difference is 8.2% This doesn’t suggest a skill issue.
Meanwhile you say that 2A6 in Germany main hands being 17% worse than French mains and 10% worse than Sweden mains is skill? I agree on this.
This would suggest that BVM is way less cracked than 2A7V which turns Germany mains from 1.028 k/d cannon fodder into 1.423 k/d demons, shows that 2A7V is insanely more OP than 2A6, a vehicle which was nerfed on addition for destroying the entire matchmaker, itself the successor to the 2A5 which also was nerfed for obliterating the matchmaker.
This seems like a quite simple inference here.
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It didn’t really get buffed. At all.
0.1 second faster reload with 3BM60…
For the 0.5 second faster reload, you need to use 3BM42.
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The stats suggest that the T80BVM and 2A7V are reasonably well balanced against eachother
The T90M is just a medicore vehicle overall ingame due to real life limitations (such as the horrible reverse gear), that gaijin cannot escape.
I’m not sure what you mean with the 2A7 vs 2A6 argument, the 2A7V is literally just an objectively better vehicle it will obviously have a better K/D. The 2A6 has a bad K/D because of gaijins awful balance choice to put it at the same BR as the 2A7V which is as I said, just way better in almost every way.
The 2A6 was nerfed in 2021 and the game is completely different now, idk why you even brought that up
Thats true, but either way, the 2A7V and T80BVM are still reasonably balanced against eachother
I know that I’ll read like a broken record, but expect a significant shift on stats this upcoming weeks.
It’s true, the T-90M and the BVM won’t get a significant change w/3BM60, but this buff is being downplayed wildly, especially with the 11.7/12.0 T-80s W/3BM46, which is actually a very competitive round, albeit being subpar to truly top rounds, but a 6s, 530mm pen is more than enough to work with a well protected MBT against butter-level protection of other hulls.
As you said, and as funny as it may sound, 3BM46 + 6 second may turn out a better combo than 3BM60 + 6.4 second reload, hahah.
0.4 may not seem like much, but it’s the difference between out-reloading a Full+Expert Leopard or not.
3BM46 is barely below average, but still sufficient against most of NATO’s underwhelming armor; and what 46 can’t pen, 60 is unlikely to pen much better.
The worst part is that you will now never know if it is a 6sec or 6.4sec reload. People will really enjoy it
I was chatting with Renzo yesterday on this same topic, and tried the T-80U-E1 on a fully uptiered 13.0 lineup, without warmup on Eastern Province, and you know that I’m not the brightest GRB player.
Got five frags almost effortlessly on basically a flat map. Give any 3BM46-based T-80 a go, the difference is really noticeable and I seriously doubt the change was necessary.
that could be a thing, yes. But the italian 2a7 has the same stats. As does the swedish strv122+
I never said it is not so good. Or that it isnt good. It clearly is one of the best mbts at top tier. Thats not really up to debate (for me at least thats quite clear).
Read the post i replied to. That person stated that the leo’s (now i dont know about which ones he was talking specifically) are the by far best tanks in the game. Which the stats simply dont show. Neither statshark nor my own (though obviously one person is way too small of a sample size because of favorable playstyle etcetc…) But i still perform about the same in every one of the top mbts of 6 different nations. It is among the best, yes. But there are several others that perform roughly the same and some even slightly better. So no, it is not “by far” the best without competition
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I am actually and genuinely considering getting T-80U-E1 just to flesh up the Top Tier lineup lmao
Nah, I have the whole Russian tree, it would be a waste xD
But it’s funny to think that it’s now probably better than T-80BVM, except for the gun handling and protection. The 6 second reload is just nice.
Because player stats mean nothing, really.
Leopard 2A7V/HU is the greatest combination of penetration power, mobility, protection, survivability, gun handling dynamics and profile.
The ONLY aspect in which it’s not the ABSOLUTE best is rate of fire. Objectively, it’s the best tank without a shade of a doubt, and some Italian chads getting similar stats on the Arietes says more about German players than it does about the capabilities of the tanks.
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BVM is also 4.5 years old now and notable wasn’t nerfed to oblivion when it got added.
Yes, and being horrid doesn’t stop USSR mains from doing OK.
Vehicle vs percentile. Should be more relevant. BVM is middle of the road. 2A7V has exceptionally high numbers.
Ridiculous.
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what does then?
yes, rate of fire. it also gets a turret basket. and skewed gun elevation angles at 90°. it doesnt get an autoloader. You need to invest an additional 1 mil sl (standard for all human reloaded tanks, but:) AND play it for ages or put in further ge to get the reload to 6.0 seconds. Dont act like theres 0 downsides on it.
i might repeat myself here…but italian players playing the leo2a7HU and swedish players on the strv122b+ have roughly the same stats…how can u explain that? Or is it then suddenly stats mean nothing because you like the leo 2a7 more?
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No it doesn’t, only the HU has, we’ve been through this
I cant be bothered arguing this anymore I dont think you really understood what i said
Those percentile numbers are also pointless, about the only thing your stats prove is that the 2A6 is overtiered significantly