When will you fix the Leopard 2 reloads?
from a balance strandpoint maybe, but ideally every tank which operates MZ should’ve the same loading time unless there are stated modifications.
I 100% agree with this take. General stats are skewed and thus unreliable. Ergo me asking avenger where did he get impresion that Leopard 2 stomps.
10.7 leo2a4 is a menace, not enough of a menace to go to 11.0 but i would say its the best tank of the br
The one that gets APS is ZTZ-99B, A2 is the unofficial designation for the 2024 version with a every so slightly reworked ERA and additional roof armor, which is already in game. I already made a post about this, you can check it out if you’re curious.
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i would like vt4a1 with side era tbh
There is no point in playing anything other than russian mbts. They are >in this game< better than any other tanks
Armor wise
speed wise
reload wise
Everything. I stopped playing Leopards because T80s are just so much better in every way
Funnily enough I not once mentioned 5 sec reload for Leopard 2 this entire time. I was perfectly fine with Abrams (and Arietes etc.) having 5 ec aced and Leo2 having 6 sec aced.
What I am not fine with is T-80s, common tank at top tier, now having 6 second reload out of the box when Leo2 is still stuck at 6.4 second reload with expert lvl 150 crew.
So now I have to invest GE to have competetive reload, or be boned in CQB even more than currently.
I will just call you out again, you’re not comparing people with more experience (and several more grinded techtrees) than you to Alvis. Not everyone who has nuances in their views are necessarily as contradictory as Alvis.
And tone down your… whatever thing, no one is explicitly insulting you.
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Reload to Gaijin was always a balance thing
they stated it themselves, often realism takes only a side checkbox when they consider buffs or nerfs.
I do better in M1, supposedly worse tank and despite having worse pen than Leo2A4.
The community long ago pointed out that newer versions of the autoloader allow pre-selection of the round, so that the loader spins and positions itself over the required round BEFORE the already loaded round is fired.
Devs correctly noted it takes 0.6s~ to skip 2 rounds in the T-72/ZTZ carousel autoloader and 0.5s in the T-80 Autoloader(also shown in the diagram). So right now the T-80 bypasses its spin sequence by pre-selecting the round correctly to achieve 6s reload speeds, but T-72 style autoloader still skips 2 rounds (according to reload timing) even though there is no real spin happening.
TL;DR
T-80 pre-selects the next round, it spins before firing the current round, thus bypasses it’s 0.5s spin time and gets the 6s reload we have now.
T-90 still cannot pre-select the next round. Thus only spins after firing the current one so it gets the +0.6s penalty to reload. And gets 7.1s (7.0s) reload. With Pre-selection T-72/T-90 Get 6.5s reload, ZTZ/VT-4 get 6s reload.
Question for @Stona_WT: Will T-72/T-90/ZTZ/VT-4 eventually receive the same “round pre-selection” buff as the T-80 did in this update?
Wait… you telling me you made your way into Top Tier without an expert crew…?
Leopard 2s, specially 2A7s and 122s, have MANY advantages that easily offset that mere 0.4 second reload difference with the T-80s.
If you had played Top Tier Russia, you would know first-hand. But you find more productive to trash on my experience instead.
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oh i cannot judge the m1 with a objective perspective, i despite it with all my heart m774 has always let me down, i know its a good tank but you couldnt make me play it. i love the 120 abrams’s but the 105 combination of subpar firepower and terrible survivability is just something that doesnt jell with me as a pretty bad grb player
And again, the thing im calling out isnt the content of the opinion but how spanish declare it being objective.
big difference.
Im fully prepared to not contest well argued opinion from someone with more experience.
Sure, I could ve selected less vulgar example and for that I apologize, but it gets the point across.
Opinion can be formed by 3rd party sources.
Please make more threads like this. It empowers community discussion on balance, and shows that you actually care about the discussion we have regarding balance. Thank you for this.
I dont know what you are on about, but I do have expert crew, and its nowhere near close to being aced after 191 battles.
advantages completly nullified on urban maps and advantages which lot of Leopard 2 contemporaries also have.
once again im not trashing the content of your opinion, but your attitude.
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Strv122/Leo2a7hu/Black Night thanks to aps
M1 abrams/Kpz70/Type90/Leclerc
M1 series/Challenger series/Type90/Type10/Leclerc series/Modern Merkavas
Aint no way chinese tanks have longer reloads even after the patch
I, for a fact, am objective, yes. Proof of it is that every time I open my mouth I am accused of a different “bias” by someone different… as if my consistent posts, comments and bug reports favouring tanks from every nation weren’t enough.
I have managed to piss off practically every nation’s mains because they claim that “I am biased towards (X) other nation” or “biased against their nation”.
If I really were so biased, it would be easy to have a consensus on what the hell I am suppossed to be biased towards or against. Instead, every main just accuses me of a different bias every time.
I am not the one bringing up my objectivity out of nowhere. The palpable evidence is out there and it was not made by me.
“My attitude”? I only started being not-so-kind after hours of constant nonsense and disrespect from you.