10.3 and 10.7 are not remotely close to Top Tier.
Having played a bit of M1 and T-80UD does not give you a single notion of how T-90M and M1A2 SEPv2 perform in Top Tier.
This is the level we are getting into now…?
What exactly is argument here? 12.0 Abrams playing completly differently to 10.7 one? Or are we ignoring that up until recently, 10.7 tanks could see 11.7 tanks in battles naturally?
I dont need to play BVM to know it will struggle with 5° of gun depresion if I played 80UD with same 5° of gun depression.
Similiarly, I dont need to play M2K to know trying to beat it in one circle in F-4S is terrible idea.
I mean you want to claim that you cant have objective opinion without trying or playing something first. You kinda played yourself here. So what is it, can educated opinion be achieved by 3rd party sources, or did you ignore your mom and had to find by yourself?
Then you’re speaking from a limited lens
There’s nothing OP about T72 at 9.3, as it is just a BR standard tank for other 9.3, a OF-40 or Leopard 1A5 will kill it no issue.
If you use the M60A2 i will still slaughter you in my Gal Batash, Olifant mk.2, Type 96, Kpz-70, while being mostly immune to you.
If you wish to complain you may complain about decompression, not T-72.
there are quite a few videos of T64/T80s shooting the same shells back to back with footage from the crew compartment, you’ll never see a reload time as low as 6 seconds, the only source which states such low reload time is the cyclogram people cling too, but you cannot that 1 piece of evidence in a vacuum, and ignore everything else.
Ok… maybe I’m missing something, so let me ask something:
What would be the point of playing;
-Arietes
-Challenger 2s
-Abrams
-Leclercs
-Merkavas
If Leopard 2s got a 5 second reload, negating the ONE advantage these have over them?
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General stats also show tanks like the VT4 and Challenger 2s outperforming the Leopard 2s.
I wouldn’t say that the VT4 and CR2 are on par or better than the Leopard 2s though.
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T64A is reasonable change.
The rest im not sure.
When will you fix the Leopard 2 reloads?
from a balance strandpoint maybe, but ideally every tank which operates MZ should’ve the same loading time unless there are stated modifications.
I 100% agree with this take. General stats are skewed and thus unreliable. Ergo me asking avenger where did he get impresion that Leopard 2 stomps.
10.7 leo2a4 is a menace, not enough of a menace to go to 11.0 but i would say its the best tank of the br
The one that gets APS is ZTZ-99B, A2 is the unofficial designation for the 2024 version with a every so slightly reworked ERA and additional roof armor, which is already in game. I already made a post about this, you can check it out if you’re curious.
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i would like vt4a1 with side era tbh
There is no point in playing anything other than russian mbts. They are >in this game< better than any other tanks
Armor wise
speed wise
reload wise
Everything. I stopped playing Leopards because T80s are just so much better in every way
Funnily enough I not once mentioned 5 sec reload for Leopard 2 this entire time. I was perfectly fine with Abrams (and Arietes etc.) having 5 ec aced and Leo2 having 6 sec aced.
What I am not fine with is T-80s, common tank at top tier, now having 6 second reload out of the box when Leo2 is still stuck at 6.4 second reload with expert lvl 150 crew.
So now I have to invest GE to have competetive reload, or be boned in CQB even more than currently.
I will just call you out again, you’re not comparing people with more experience (and several more grinded techtrees) than you to Alvis. Not everyone who has nuances in their views are necessarily as contradictory as Alvis.
And tone down your… whatever thing, no one is explicitly insulting you.
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Reload to Gaijin was always a balance thing
they stated it themselves, often realism takes only a side checkbox when they consider buffs or nerfs.
I do better in M1, supposedly worse tank and despite having worse pen than Leo2A4.
The community long ago pointed out that newer versions of the autoloader allow pre-selection of the round, so that the loader spins and positions itself over the required round BEFORE the already loaded round is fired.
Devs correctly noted it takes 0.6s~ to skip 2 rounds in the T-72/ZTZ carousel autoloader and 0.5s in the T-80 Autoloader(also shown in the diagram). So right now the T-80 bypasses its spin sequence by pre-selecting the round correctly to achieve 6s reload speeds, but T-72 style autoloader still skips 2 rounds (according to reload timing) even though there is no real spin happening.
TL;DR
T-80 pre-selects the next round, it spins before firing the current round, thus bypasses it’s 0.5s spin time and gets the 6s reload we have now.
T-90 still cannot pre-select the next round. Thus only spins after firing the current one so it gets the +0.6s penalty to reload. And gets 7.1s (7.0s) reload. With Pre-selection T-72/T-90 Get 6.5s reload, ZTZ/VT-4 get 6s reload.
Question for @Stona_WT: Will T-72/T-90/ZTZ/VT-4 eventually receive the same “round pre-selection” buff as the T-80 did in this update?
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Wait… you telling me you made your way into Top Tier without an expert crew…?
Leopard 2s, specially 2A7s and 122s, have MANY advantages that easily offset that mere 0.4 second reload difference with the T-80s.
If you had played Top Tier Russia, you would know first-hand. But you find more productive to trash on my experience instead.
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