You straight up sound like Alvis.
By what metric they stomp? What exact model of Leopard 2 stomps, since there are lot of them spread over 2 full BRs?
General stat dont show Leopard 2s overperfoming maybe with exception of 2A7V, my personal stats show Leopard 2A4 performing worse than both UD and M1 Abrams.
So by what metric they stomp?
Sure. Everything is nice and dandy.
Dude… the only Top Tier tanks you have played are Leopards.
Germany. That’s all you have at Top Tier.
How can you pretend that your take on Top Tier tanks can be possibly more educated and objective than the take of someone who actively plays every single tank in Top Tier? Now, seriously.
And for the record, I would not even be bringing this up if I weren’t growing tired of your constant attacks and disrespect.
I’d say no, but its not like having 2nd gen thermals at 10.3 is negligible either. For instance on forest maps, that leap in image quality is all the difference you need to do quite good games even with mediocre vehicles.
And I have played both russian 10.3 and US 10.7, having more success in both than that of Leopard 2s.
Your point being?
Do you need to eat feces to know its a bad idea?
t72 change is fine, t80 t64 change is nonsense. that cyclogram is virtually the only source that ever states such low times, and isnt really congruent with reality.
chinese autoloaders have been needing fixed for a long time.
10.3 and 10.7 are not remotely close to Top Tier.
Having played a bit of M1 and T-80UD does not give you a single notion of how T-90M and M1A2 SEPv2 perform in Top Tier.
This is the level we are getting into now…?
What exactly is argument here? 12.0 Abrams playing completly differently to 10.7 one? Or are we ignoring that up until recently, 10.7 tanks could see 11.7 tanks in battles naturally?
I dont need to play BVM to know it will struggle with 5° of gun depresion if I played 80UD with same 5° of gun depression.
Similiarly, I dont need to play M2K to know trying to beat it in one circle in F-4S is terrible idea.
I mean you want to claim that you cant have objective opinion without trying or playing something first. You kinda played yourself here. So what is it, can educated opinion be achieved by 3rd party sources, or did you ignore your mom and had to find by yourself?
Then you’re speaking from a limited lens
There’s nothing OP about T72 at 9.3, as it is just a BR standard tank for other 9.3, a OF-40 or Leopard 1A5 will kill it no issue.
If you use the M60A2 i will still slaughter you in my Gal Batash, Olifant mk.2, Type 96, Kpz-70, while being mostly immune to you.
If you wish to complain you may complain about decompression, not T-72.
there are quite a few videos of T64/T80s shooting the same shells back to back with footage from the crew compartment, you’ll never see a reload time as low as 6 seconds, the only source which states such low reload time is the cyclogram people cling too, but you cannot that 1 piece of evidence in a vacuum, and ignore everything else.
Ok… maybe I’m missing something, so let me ask something:
What would be the point of playing;
-Arietes
-Challenger 2s
-Abrams
-Leclercs
-Merkavas
If Leopard 2s got a 5 second reload, negating the ONE advantage these have over them?
General stats also show tanks like the VT4 and Challenger 2s outperforming the Leopard 2s.
I wouldn’t say that the VT4 and CR2 are on par or better than the Leopard 2s though.
T64A is reasonable change.
The rest im not sure.
When will you fix the Leopard 2 reloads?
from a balance strandpoint maybe, but ideally every tank which operates MZ should’ve the same loading time unless there are stated modifications.
I 100% agree with this take. General stats are skewed and thus unreliable. Ergo me asking avenger where did he get impresion that Leopard 2 stomps.
10.7 leo2a4 is a menace, not enough of a menace to go to 11.0 but i would say its the best tank of the br
The one that gets APS is ZTZ-99B, A2 is the unofficial designation for the 2024 version with a every so slightly reworked ERA and additional roof armor, which is already in game. I already made a post about this, you can check it out if you’re curious.
i would like vt4a1 with side era tbh
There is no point in playing anything other than russian mbts. They are >in this game< better than any other tanks
Armor wise
speed wise
reload wise
Everything. I stopped playing Leopards because T80s are just so much better in every way
Funnily enough I not once mentioned 5 sec reload for Leopard 2 this entire time. I was perfectly fine with Abrams (and Arietes etc.) having 5 ec aced and Leo2 having 6 sec aced.
What I am not fine with is T-80s, common tank at top tier, now having 6 second reload out of the box when Leo2 is still stuck at 6.4 second reload with expert lvl 150 crew.
So now I have to invest GE to have competetive reload, or be boned in CQB even more than currently.