Restoration of Historical Armament for Yak-38/Yak-38M in War Thunder

Dear Gaijin Entertainment Team,

My name is KLBR-R16-04, and I am writing to request the restoration of historically accurate armament for the Yak-38 and Yak-38M aircraft in War Thunder. It is crucial for these aircraft to reflect their historical design and performance standards to enhance the game’s authenticity and historical accuracy.

Requested Upgrades:

  1. Integration of R-60M Missiles: The R-60M, an improved version of the R-60, was intended to enhance the Yak-38/Yak-38M’s air-to-air combat capabilities. Adding R-60M missiles will align the aircraft with its historically planned performance.
  2. Incorporation of X-25MR Missiles: The X-25MR, a precision-guided missile, was historically planned for the Yak-38M to improve its capability to engage ground targets accurately. Including X-25MR missiles will ensure the aircraft meets its historical design specifications.

Historically, the Yak-38 was designed with the following armament options:

  • Air-to-Air Missiles: R-60, R-60M.
  • Air-to-Ground Missiles: X-23M, X-25MR.
  • Unguided Rockets: S-5, S-8, S-24B.
  • Bombs: FAB-100, FAB-250, FAB-500, RBK-250, RBK-500, ZB-500, ZAB-100.
  • Gun Pods: UPK-23-250.
  • Drop Tanks: PTB-500.
  • Additional Equipment: ASP-PFD-21 sight, Delta-NG2 guidance equipment, Active jamming station.

Restoring these historically accurate armaments will greatly improve the representation of the Yak-38 and Yak-38M in War Thunder, providing a more realistic and historically faithful depiction of these aircraft.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

KLBR-R16-04
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And move it to 10.3/10.7 you do know this right?

Harrier Gr3 with 2x Aim-9Gs = 9.7
Sea Harrier FRS1e with 2x Aim-9L = 10.7

They are basically the same airframe, just one has a radar

wont affect Air BR. But would be 10.0/10.3 in ground alongside aircraft like the Buccanneer S2B

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Any flares?? Can’t read Russian…

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Yes, cause a non-flares aircraft should be 10.3… /s

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You do NOT want the yak38 any higher in br.

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Or is it better when its missiles are as bad as they can get? 9.7, like the premium Harrier for the USA, since it doesn’t have flares but at least will have somewhat decent missiles, whereas the Harrier has both missiles and flares.

At least I’m not sure about them for sure.

9.7 should be normal for R-60M

Hunter F6 with 4x SRAAM and no Flares is 9.7 already and R-60s are WAY better than the SRAAMs currently.

Hunter F6 with 2x Aim-9B is 9.0 currently.

You want 4x free kills in the Yak-38? Yeah no, will need to be at least 10.0 maybe even 10.3.

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Then Sea Harrier FRS1e to 9.7 then as its just a Harrier Gr3 with 2x Aim-9Ls.

Well, because objectively speaking, the Harrier surpasses it both in terms of maneuverability and flight performance.

and, 9.0 with 4x R-60M would be broken, totally OP. anything below 10.0 would be insane and make the entire decompress completely pointless. How is something like the Javelin or Hunter F1 meant to do anything vs a 30G all aspect missile with no flares. Even 9.7s like the Hunter F6 are DOA vs the Su-25s and A-10s and you want the Yak-38 to be a a lower BR than it with the same missiles

The problem is that historically, the Yak-38 was equipped with this armament, and since our dear developers are committed to historical accuracy, they should add the R-60M. As for this aircraft, the Hunter is faster and generally has a normal battle rating.

How is it relevant to have a lower battle rating? The Yak-38 is currently at 9.3. I’m suggesting adding the R-60M missiles and increasing the battle rating to 9.7. Are you even reading what I’m proposing?

Loadout options are always a balancing decision and not a historical accuracy thing. Thats why the Tornado F3 Late doesnt have ASRAAM. or the Tornado F3 doesnt have Aim-9M. or the Sea Harrier FRS1 (SQV) doesnt have Aim-9Ms.

Heck, even weapons we do have arent modeled accurately for the sake of balance like Red Tops and SRAAMs

Both should be all-aspect

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/wi1YHANSfsrs
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uMO3VGJ8IjBf

Do you mind all-aspect SRAAMs at 9.3? (probably where the Harrier Gr1 and Hunter F6 should be located at the moment)

The Harrier, unlike the Yak, has better flight performance and equipment. As for the Yak, yes, 9.7 or 10.0 is quite reasonable, although 9.7 is preferable because it is more challenging to master. It has worse engines, good missiles but lacks flares, and its ECM is less effective. Despite all this, the Yak would be better balanced and historically accurate at 9.7.

Harrier goes from 9.7 to 10.7 when switching to all-aspect missiles.

Yak38 would go to at least 10.0

Harrier Gr1 and Hunter F6 dont have flares either and are 9.7 with worse missiles than the Yak-38…

Once again addressing the battle rating issue, 9.7 for the Yak-38 is indeed deserved. This aircraft lacks flares, performs poorly due to weak engines, and is easily shot down because of ineffective ECM. Adding R-60M missiles would allow the Yak-38 to survive longer in battle, compensating for the absence of flares and the poor performance of its ECM. It cannot maneuver as well as the Harrier, which has better equipment, more powerful engines, and overall superior performance in every aspect.

Therefore, adding R-60M and increasing the battle rating to 9.7 would provide a more accurate representation of its combat capabilities and improve game balance.

Agreed, at least it would be a sort of boost for it.