Responding to issues regarding dev server reports & an update on spall lining armor from the developers

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How can you not tell what they mean by anti-consumerism with regards to WT/GJN?

Very naive of you to think that the people who currently own something automatically know what is best for it long term.

There are plenty of examples where polling has worked very well for games. Just look at old school runescape. When it is done intelligently with good information, clear polling questions, and sensible voting thresholds (your suggestion of 51% is obviously stupid), it can work very well. The issue is whenever GJN has ‘polled’ the players on economy changes, they’ve not given us clear information, and the polls have been akin to ‘would you rather we cut off your hand or foot?’.

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because they pushed rank 6’s up there with the economy update so they dont have to do another economy update right after rank 8 gets introduced. they didn’t add any new prem tank at rank 7 before the upcoming update, though.

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sorry but pixel hunting in the armor viewer is the worst cherry picking I’ve ever seen. If you want to compare 2 tanks armor viewer wise, use the feature where all penetrable areas get marked green. singular pixel weak spots are not relevant in ingame situations, noone will aim for the exact spot you picked there, especially since it’s very hard to make out where it even is without the armor viewer.

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you aren’t required to buy anything to progress. you can buy things to progress faster. there are people unlocking or even spading whole big 3 tech trees without paying anything and only playing a little.
gaijin profits the most from people who only greed after their favourite modern toy, but if they only play this game for an F-15 or whatever, and not the 1000+ other vehicles, that’s their choice and fault. there’s tons of fun to be had in the early and mid ranks.

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That doesn’t refute my point in any way.

You are just moving goalposts.

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You can’t progress without premium time and vehicles.
If you say you can, then obviously you’re dismissing the majority of WT players who are working people with families who can maybe put in half a dozen games per week.

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This reply now is so funny to see since they have added MANY NATO tanks to the list of approved for getting spall-liners.

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I suspect we may well do so, a lot of stuff was unfinished.
that said i’m aware they’re running out of time to put the pre-christmas update out into the live servers so…

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Maybe because nobody seems to be able to answer the question and teach me, apparently including yourself, since you didn’t answer the question.

Very naive of you to think that the people who currently own something automatically know what is best for it long term.

What possible advantage do you think you have over them? They do this 8 hours a day, you (according to games played last week) spend about 2 hours playing a day. They hire people trained in these exact areas, you are at best the same and more likely not trained in it. And they have access to billions of rows of hard data to answer almost any possible question about the game, that you don’t have one bit of.

When it is done intelligently with good information, clear polling questions, and sensible voting thresholds

How would that possibly look for the economy of all things? Every consumer ever in any industry always will simply choose “The lower price please”. How would you possibly structure it to get any other answer?

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No offence, but no one here has volunteered to be your English tutor. If you don’t know what anti-consumerism is then that is something you should probably research yourself, rather than asking people on WT forums to explain it to you.

Well I personally wouldn’t be advocating for the introduction of more mechanics which make the game more anti-consumer, like stock HEAT-FS. Whereas GJN have shown that profit is their first, second, and third concern. The fact that players are not motivated by profit gives them an ‘advantage’, aka an alternate perspective.

I work in academia, and the ‘statistics’ analysis that GJN claims to do is not easy for people who know what they are doing. Considering the mistakes we see them make doing easy things, I have zero faith they are capable of any sort of robust statistical analysis. Hence why they are too embarrassed to make it public.

Like I already explained - don’t ask stupid questions where ‘lower the price please’ is an option. Ask actually meaningful questions to do with gameplay and progression…

You say that every consumer will always simply choose ‘lower the price’, but you yourself are already here arguing for GJN saying why the consumer opinion is invalid.

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all other nations tanks don’t need spall lining most of them preform very well , u can’t one shot any westrean vehicles as their crews are well seperated u have to aim carfully to kill 2 or 3 of their 4 crews
while in USSR top tire tanks u have only 3 crews that are tightly packed any side shot is a garantie kill for most players the T-90M having the spall lining should put it in par with the westrean vehicles and i feel really angry that the players just want to keep their tanks at better placed in top tire battles and the win rate of them is sure showing how OP westrean tanks are , so i’m asking from the devs as it seems these loud minority are affecting ur actions and decision making procces

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Yes my challenger 2 is so op that i hate it when the poor russians get some feature that my tank should have but they get cause the their era is so much worse then mine

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u got the T-90B which is OP af and has no lower front plate weak spot unlike in the Russian tech tree

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If you’re implying it’s literally just the raw meaning of those two words ith no further context, then by that logic “literally charging any price for a product AT ALL” is “anti-consumer”, since “it being for free” would be more in their favor

Is that what you mean? If not, then no, you aren’t just using the English word meanings, you’re implying something else beyond that, in which case you’d have to clarify what.

Well I personally wouldn’t be advocating for the introduction of more mechanics which make the game more anti-consumer

I can’t meaningfully reply to it until the above is resolved, since you’re now building further on top of words that are not understood between us.

Considering the mistakes we see them make doing easy things

Such as? What easy statistical mistakes have they made?

Like I already explained - don’t ask stupid questions where ‘lower the price please’ is an option. Ask actually meaningful questions to do with gameplay and progression…

I asked how you would structure it, and you told me a way NOT to structure it. That’s not an answer. Is that because you do not know an actual answer for how TO structure it?

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A lower br with weaker dart no aps but more era T90
We have one russian tank at 10.3 and makes our top tier being terrible invalid how

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Hang on ,so because we have 1x Soviet C&P in our tree, means that 9 (CR1, CR2 & CR3) of our native MBTs we have at the moment must suffer?

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That is not what anti-consumerism means.

Apple deciding to charge whatever price they like for their product is not anti-consumerism. Intentionally releasing software updates which degrades the performance of older models, to encourage people to buy the latest phone, is anti-consumerism. I hope I don’t have to explain to you why there is a difference there?

I actually didn’t specify statistical mistakes - GJN doesn’t make any of their statistical analysis publicly open to scrutiny. I was more referencing the fact that this is the same company that is happy to leave a vehicle like the stormer in the current state it is in, as close as it gets to unplayable, for months. If that is the level of polish deemed acceptable in their actual area of expertise, gameplay, I highly doubt they have some savant behind the scenes carrying out cutting edge statistical analysis on their data.

That would depend entirely on context? Your assertion was that polling the community was entirely useless, because they will only ever ‘vote in their favour’. But there are decisions, many of which have been improved during the roadmap over the last year, which could be put forward to the community.

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Is it just me or does this patch seem more half baked than usual?

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That is not what anti-consumerism means.

It’s almost as if that’s why I asked you what it DOES mean then, since we now agree that it does NOT mean “plain English meaning of the words”, in contrast to what you implied earlier

I hope I don’t have to explain to you why there is a difference there?

Yes, you do, because your incredibly vague examples don’t make clear what aspects of those situations you think are or are not relevant. it’s like handing someone a green parrot and a white terrier and saying “Bird” “Dog” with no further explanation. Okay, so if the animal is white, it’s a dog, and can’t be a bird? No… that isn’t a definition.

Why don’t you just stop wasting our time and simply define the term so we can move on? This should be an incredibly simple request. Assuming you actually know a definition, that is, and don’t just use it as a code word for “various diverse things I don’t personally like”

I actually didn’t specify statistical mistakes

The analytics department is not the same guy modeling tanks or signing off on features of tanks. So you don’t actually have ANY evidence of the analytics department being incompetent, then?

That would depend entirely on context?

The context of the question was already very clear, we were talking about the economy, i.e. SL and RP gain rates, repair costs, etc.

How exactly would you pose a poll question about whether SL rewards should go up and by how much, without getting useless replies from people simply choosing whatever the highest available option on the poll was?

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Then the barrier goes deeper than language, and I think we should just call it a day.

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