i still believe one of the two british F-4s should recieve AIM-9L and move up in BR; otherwise they are basically identical bar the negligible ~50kg weight increase of the FG.1 (and the FGR.1’s NVDs)
I did not notice that, you are right, that is BS. F-16C should too.
Grom-1s still massively outrange AASMs in ASB.
Personally, i think F-16C could stay at 12.7 as it is currently; it has much less hardpoints and overall versatility (along with a lack of more advanced weaponry and sensors, such as the AGM-130/equivelant or a GMTI radar) which other top aircraft aircraft like the Su-30 and F-15E have
It still has 2x Aim-9M, 2x Aim-120 and 6x AGM-65, which puts it well ahead of say the Gripen C which is also 12.7.
Likewise, by those metrics, the Typhoon should also remain at 12.7 because it doesnt have advanced weapon and currently lacks GMTI.
yeah thats the sad state of compressed BRs.
The more viable option would be to lower the Gripen C’s BR in ground battles to 12.3; similarly to how the MiG-29SMT is being lowered in GRB in these BR changes for the same problems you stated on the Gripen C.
Amazing how you manage to ignore 90% of what i said to somehow get a bad argument across that is immediately falling appaert the moment anyone reads past the first sentence.
Go find me the place where there are not thousands of players complaining about the balancing changes each and every time they happen.
Go find m ethe threats and posts and comments and videos of people praisiong the balancing and defending gaijin from this forum.
THIS FORUM IS THE SINGLE MOST POSITIVE AND PRO GAIJIN PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
This threat right here is where you will find the most amount of people thinking gaijin is doing a good job.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PLACE.
And this place is 95% criticising the changes.
If the single most pro Gaijin place in existance is like this I dare you to go to a single reddid threat regarding the balance of this game and see the 10k+ comments with at best 5 positive ones.
Or go to the Discords or YT comment sctions and see the stuff there.
You are living in an utter bubble
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Perhaps, but it is overall a mess.
Tornado GR4 and Mirage RMV should be about 11.7 (the AASM being as good as they are, maybe higher, more like 12.0)
Gripen C should be about 12.0/12.3 and then the F-16 could remain at 12.7 without too much issue
This is a slippery slope.
Right now matches are boring because people take overperforming vehicles to farm brackets. This decreases the variety anyway.
I think there’s a point where we can decompress away these farming vehicles without condemning them to obsolesence, whilst retaining varied match ups.
An issue with compression is it places a burden on your lineup to be more efficient since a small increase in enemy BR or friendly BR can render certain vehicles essentially irrelevant.
I’ll complain about overdecompressed br after it ever happens even once. But right now the danger is the exact opposite direction.
I don’t request no water to put out my burning house because I’m concerned about making it damp.
The RMV should not go below 12.0 simply due to its ability to bring HAMMRs like a Rafale. A lower amount, sure, but its still a great A2G weapon.
I never flew the GR.4 in ground battles, only air, so i can not comment on that.
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Perhaps. Still, my original point stands.
If given the choice between decompressing 8.0 —> 10.0/11.0 (and maybe also adding split BRs to aircraft below 10.0) or decompressing 13.0 —> 14.0 again. Id choose the former rather than the latter as I dont think decompressing top tier would actually do all that much, certainly not what I think people think would happen (and that being 14.0s to be practically in a BR all to themselves with what are now 13.7s being practically top BR again for most)
The main reason Id like the GR4 below 12.0 (with of course SP increase on the Brimstones) is because if you play 12.0 it doesnt matter if you have a 12.0 line up, 12.3 or 12.7, you’ll only get 12.0 —> 13.0 matches, the GR4 might as well be 13.0 and you might as well take the Typhoon.
Britian being as weak as it is currently in terms of top tier MBTs, it would be nice to have something a bit stronger than the already rahter heavily nerfed Tornado Gr1 at 11.7. With any luck, 11.7 is about too see more downtiers
For the most part, the Tornado Gr4 is no stronger than the Tornado A200C already at 11.3
Your original point seems you don’t want the kind of mass decompression that benefits all brackets and cures longstanding issues, you want some tweaks to make your preferred part a bit more playable.
I should also point out that +/-0.7 would obliterate so much variety and would make more problems than it can solve.
Fundamentally there’s an issue of not enough granularity or complexity in the BR system, reducing granularity is basically a death sentence for the system.
We already had a 10.0 —> 12.7 (now 14.0) decompressed. Which if anything resulted in 9.7 — 10.7 becoming even more compressed somehow.
So Id like to see the decompression that was started last year finished all the way down to 1.0 before we start trying to decompress the same few BRs again.
Yes afterwards they perhaps need to do it again. But Im hoping that with a decompression of aircraft between 1.0 —> 7.0 we might finally get even a slight naval decompression
Just feels like if top tier only ever gets decompressed then the BRs below never will and there are many 9.7 aircraft I refuse to play, because they are DOA vs even 10.0 aircraft, let alone 10.3 and 10.7
Naval is even the perfect example of the problem.
Nobody can say with a straight face, that Scharnhorst should fight most of the 7.0 as if they are equal, and probably shouldn’t even ever fight the 6.7’s in the game.
Naval is in the most extreme and dire need of decompression.
Sometimes I fear the only hope for this game is if they re-introduce rigid era specific national team compositions, similar to Sim.
That way nations don’t fight themselves and skew the data on the actual performance of their vehicles, relative to others.
That is way too far away. By the time your Brimstones get there they’ll be going at walking pace with these launch conditions. And worse, they will also loft too high with that high of a launch distance, so they’re easy pickings as they get spotted very early.
I wouldn’t mind SALH Brimstone IIs, but that’s not really relevant. I’m just pointing out that the Is can work very well already, which you are discounting.
The big three always get their toys first, and the US is particularly loud about it when it doesn’t happen. Just think back to the whole AIM-9M clusterfuck. I agree that it isn’t really fair, but it’s always been like that. Everyone else just has to be happy about the crumbs they get from time to time.
You misunderstand my point, I think. The Type 81 is obviously overtiered. Pantisr, Tor and ItO are obviously better when used by a competent player. You listed the objective reasons for that, in practise you can see it in action by good players being much more of a threat in these systems than in the Type 81. You are not applying that same standard to the Brimstone I, which doesn’t just perform well in the hands of good players, it’s the meta anti-Pantsir weapon for squadronbattles.
i cant tell if you’re trolling or not, but if you aren’t, no, just no. in no world should these tank be at a lower br than the KV-1(L-11) AND face 3.3 vehicles and in no way are they suffering
I mean you can think whatever you like, but it doesn’t change the fact stuff like forums and the reddit are places for people to vent. I keep seeing same people venting about same stuff over and over again, I’m not seeing five digit amount of unique posters bashing the balance of this, which would happen if it was indeed that bad as many here try to portray it to be.
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Yeah… though a few of the more recent changes have at least given some things a fighting chance.
But I feel a major reason for why they havent decompressed naval, even slightly is because they dont want 9.0 CAS being used against 7.0 dreadnoughts with no AA.
(I would love an official comment on why they refuse to go higher than 7.0 in naval and 12.0 in ground)
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I fired as close as I could.
If I had fired any closer then I would have been shot down ,the Typhoon is good, but it cant defend against 2x Pantsirs at sub 10km with no terrain cover at all.
From what you are suggesting I had done, I would have been better off using the PW4s I was carrying instead and just fly straight over them.
This is why BRimstone 2s are required, they are faster and can be used in HOBS.
and I’ve seen people get loads of kills with the Torando ASSTA1 over the past 2 years when that was Germanys best CAS. Doesnt mean the Tornado ASSTA1 is the equal to the Su-34 for example.
Just because the Typhoon has a good FM and it can be used in an extremely niche way and produce result shoudlnt mean that it isnt underperofmring and shoudlnt get buffs.
But the logic of “it does well and still gets kills therefore it needs nothing better” the soviets should still be using the SU-25SM3 as their top tier CAS as that thing was raining in kills even after ARH was added and given the SPAA situation hasnt changed even slightly, there still isnt much in the form of SPAA that could threaten it either.
and Im fed up of that. They nerfed the livign hell out of the Gripen C when it was new (and one of those massive fake nerfs has crippled every single Rank 8 British aircraft bar the GR1) and now they are artiifically nerfing the Typhoon.
Just for once Id like it if we didnt have to deal with fake nerfs and could actually get the IRL perofrmance of the aircraft.
Then lets do that then.
KH-38MT is faster
KH-38MT is FnF
KH-38MT has longer range
KH-38MT has a much larger warhead
KH-38MT has 0 Drift IOG.
So A KH-38MT can be fired at a target from 20km-30km away and assuming they were unable to defend against it, will die. All while the launch aircraft is doing something else, like landing or providing CAP. To defend against the KH-38MT, you have to deploy smoke stop moving/change direction and then get far enough away from your original point for the warhead to still not kill you. This enables you to kill up to 6x targets per volley
A Brimstone 1 can only be fired from about 5-10km away, and then requires the Typhoon or Tornado to manually guide the missile onto the target during its terminal phase because otherwise it will miss. If it does impact the target, the small warhead and issues regarding its shaped charge means that it wont always one shot. To defend against a Brismtone, you deploy smoke. The most you can kill is 1 at a time . To defeat a Pantsir, I think you need volleys or at least 12+
These weapons are to be considered equal.
They are not.
A Typhoon being forced into an extremely hard playstyle and it being considered balanced because it results in Pantsirs being killed (despite the same tactics being just as effective in literally anything using any other weapon) is apparently fine.
I really dont see why Brimstone 1s are considered OP but the KH-38MT is apparently fine.
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