I mean you can think whatever you like, but it doesn’t change the fact stuff like forums and the reddit are places for people to vent. I keep seeing same people venting about same stuff over and over again, I’m not seeing five digit amount of unique posters bashing the balance of this, which would happen if it was indeed that bad as many here try to portray it to be.
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Yeah… though a few of the more recent changes have at least given some things a fighting chance.
But I feel a major reason for why they havent decompressed naval, even slightly is because they dont want 9.0 CAS being used against 7.0 dreadnoughts with no AA.
(I would love an official comment on why they refuse to go higher than 7.0 in naval and 12.0 in ground)
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I fired as close as I could.
If I had fired any closer then I would have been shot down ,the Typhoon is good, but it cant defend against 2x Pantsirs at sub 10km with no terrain cover at all.
From what you are suggesting I had done, I would have been better off using the PW4s I was carrying instead and just fly straight over them.
This is why BRimstone 2s are required, they are faster and can be used in HOBS.
and I’ve seen people get loads of kills with the Torando ASSTA1 over the past 2 years when that was Germanys best CAS. Doesnt mean the Tornado ASSTA1 is the equal to the Su-34 for example.
Just because the Typhoon has a good FM and it can be used in an extremely niche way and produce result shoudlnt mean that it isnt underperofmring and shoudlnt get buffs.
But the logic of “it does well and still gets kills therefore it needs nothing better” the soviets should still be using the SU-25SM3 as their top tier CAS as that thing was raining in kills even after ARH was added and given the SPAA situation hasnt changed even slightly, there still isnt much in the form of SPAA that could threaten it either.
and Im fed up of that. They nerfed the livign hell out of the Gripen C when it was new (and one of those massive fake nerfs has crippled every single Rank 8 British aircraft bar the GR1) and now they are artiifically nerfing the Typhoon.
Just for once Id like it if we didnt have to deal with fake nerfs and could actually get the IRL perofrmance of the aircraft.
Then lets do that then.
KH-38MT is faster
KH-38MT is FnF
KH-38MT has longer range
KH-38MT has a much larger warhead
KH-38MT has 0 Drift IOG.
So A KH-38MT can be fired at a target from 20km-30km away and assuming they were unable to defend against it, will die. All while the launch aircraft is doing something else, like landing or providing CAP. To defend against the KH-38MT, you have to deploy smoke stop moving/change direction and then get far enough away from your original point for the warhead to still not kill you. This enables you to kill up to 6x targets per volley
A Brimstone 1 can only be fired from about 5-10km away, and then requires the Typhoon or Tornado to manually guide the missile onto the target during its terminal phase because otherwise it will miss. If it does impact the target, the small warhead and issues regarding its shaped charge means that it wont always one shot. To defend against a Brismtone, you deploy smoke. The most you can kill is 1 at a time . To defeat a Pantsir, I think you need volleys or at least 12+
These weapons are to be considered equal.
They are not.
A Typhoon being forced into an extremely hard playstyle and it being considered balanced because it results in Pantsirs being killed (despite the same tactics being just as effective in literally anything using any other weapon) is apparently fine.
I really dont see why Brimstone 1s are considered OP but the KH-38MT is apparently fine.
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Gunna try this again, with a new and improved argument. This would be the main change Id love to see with this GRB CAS focused BR update
Vehicle: Tornado GR4
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 12.3 —> 11.7
Mitigation: Increase the SP cost of Brimstones notably on the Tornado GR4
Reason: The Tornado GR4 doesn’t currently present a massive upgrade over other Tornado IDS at it 11.3 and its hard to justify it being 12.3. Lets break it down.
It has the identical flight performance to the other 6x Mk103 Tornado IDS, 3 of which are actually 10.0 in GRB and the other 3 are considered fairly weak 11.3s. It does have superior A2A performance with Aim-9M but this would fine at 11.7 given the performance of CAP at 11.7 such as the Mig-29 and is still far weaker than aircraft like the F4F ICE or Su-27/Su-33 at 12.0. It also has more CMs, but those are rarely a deciding factor and shouldn’t have a radical impact on BR placement. it does also gain MAWS but so do many other aircraft such as the A-10C and the A200C is also due to recieve MAWS and Im not expecting MAWS alone to move it from 11.3 to 12.3.
This leaves A2G performance, the GR4 has the same Targeting pod and if anything weaker GBU options to that found on the A200C (MLU) Tornado currently at 11.3, so those shouldn’t have an impact. The PGM-2000s whilst being the IR version and so an upgrade over the TV version found on the GR1 aren’t radically better either and at most justify a 0.3 BR increase, so in this case, to 11.7.
That leaves the Brimstones, which are in a massively nerfed state currently with no fire-and-forget capabilities. They also have extremely limited range when used on the Tornado, and so you are often within range of even the weakest SPAA when using them and they require you to remain well within range of those SPAA for them to be used. Their greatest usage on the GR4 is to simply decoy the Pantsir whilst your PGM-2000s do the actual killing. Much like GBU-39s do on other aircraft. But they have a potential to provide sustained CAS, but so does the Su-39 with 16x Vikhrs vs the A-10C with 6x AGM-65Ds and the Su-39 is actually at the lower BR. So this shouldn’t be much of an issue either.
But that having been said, its the only reason I can think for the GR4 to be anything other than 11.7 in GRB. So if they are such an issue, increase their SP cost by notable amount. This total eliminates them being a major issue and balances them well.
As a final point of note. Lowering the GR4 to 11.7 allows it to be used in an 11.7 line-up. In its current 12.3 placement, it will be directly competing against the 13.0 multi-roles 99% of the time and as a result, has little to no value over other more capable aircraft such as the Harrier Gr7 and Typhoon FGR4.
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A quick note.
The Chinese and Italian P-47D-30 variants are functionally idential (in terms of their role as a fighter) to the P-47D-28.
IF the P-47D-28 is to go down in BR, then the P-47D-30s should aswell. HOWEVER these planes were rather okay at 5.0. They are strong vehicles but a little off-meta, thats all. Moving them down to 4.7 isn’t going to ruin the matchmaker or anything - but these P-47s will become quite strong in the right hands and I’m not sure it was a necessary change.
So nothing on the Obj. 435???
A tank with 3BM3, pure RHA armour and a coincidence rangefinder is going to be the same BR as the T-62M-1, which has 3BM28, composite addons, a LRF and barrel launched ATGM’s!?
What a joke.
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what exactly? i dont see any other cas around at 4.7 or below can dogfight almost anything and can easily kill 7+ tanks in a very short time.
there is a reason why you see the 9k regularly still even at 8.3 matches. its op as all hell.
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yeah, M26 is now completely useless :)
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Thx gaijoon. I hate it.
Once more all sorts of Russian nerfs
Meanwhile:
turm III, Tiger H1s, OST, West, M4a3E2s… the bully USA 6.3-7.3 heavies all remain intact
What a joke
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Like the M60A2 and the M551 needed to be 8.0… WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA, MORE VIETNAM TANKS IN WW2 BRS, just like 60% of the USA tree
Again, if you aren’t going to share this data with us; just saying they have “high efficiency” means nothing. Now you are effectively leaving the French M26 alone with no line up now.
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All of these are balanced at tier current BR, and you could argue that the Jumbos are overtiered. However, the Turm III is definitely undertiered, and deserves 8.7 atleast.
Vehicles that deserved it got nerfed.
They don’t even need to share the full data because that could lead to abuse. They just need to give objective comparisons to other vehicles based purely on the performance and capability of similar vehicles.
I want someone from Gaijin to come out and say why the Q-5s are going up despite them being a Mig-19 sidegrade with flares, or why the AMX-13s are going to 7.0 despite them not easily being able to pen a Tiger II H headon. It’s just ridicuous.
The fact that comments on ASB mode do not get the same number of likes as comments on RB modes does not mean that SB mode should be ignored. It’s just that fewer people are playing it, but it’s still being played.
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The hell they are.
Next they’ll nerf my T-34-85…
But if vehicles that deserved it got moved, why not the T29? T34? T26e5???
Gepard? Itpsv? Za-35?
What about the Aubl 74 HVG?
@Stona_WT
It’s not a good vehicle… its reload is too slow. Therefore it should get a reload buff, given how small the round is. (60mm)
Vehicle:F5E
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 11.3->11.0
AGM65 was overvalued over and over again, even though it is AGM65 B. How could jets without any laser-guided pods be at 11.3? And AGM65B could only lock targets in 6km, which means it will be easily shot down by any SPAA over 10.3, especially like 2s6 or HQ17, even some IR missiles
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Vehicle: R2Y2
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 8.0-7.7
This is my last time to mention R2Y2 before it is deleted from TT., I still have no idea why it could be 8.0, even we have using F80C to solo R2Y2 to prove it was worse than F80C, consider in GRB japan only has F84G and kikka, both of them are pretty bad in GRB air combat, Japan now really needs a high mobility jets to against other nations powerful jets, also from 7.3-8.0, there is almost no more good SPAA for Japan, so the only hope is move R2Y2 to 7.7 in GRB
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No they blimmen well do not.
Reload is the ONLY thing going for the Type 90s. They have the worst rounds at 11.3 by a decent margin, the worst armour, gen 1 thermals and barely better mobility than anything else. Even the reload isnt as good as it used to be with the Leclercs and Abrams getting 5 sec reloads these days.
The TKX(P) loses out on some of some of the mobility of the Type 90s in return for Gen3 thermals, with the same round and just as pathetic armour.
Type 81C which, yet again, DOESNT EVEN HAVE A SEARCH RADAR, and, yet again, cannot lock onto helis.
Am also a Japan main at top tier. My recommendation is to try and get the Thai F-5s. The squadron FCU or the tech tree one. They get 4x Mavs and are strong fighters for dodging both ground missiles and other planes. (The tech tree one is technically better in GRB specifically because it can take better AAMs with its mavs, while the squadren one is better in ARB because 4x AAMs)
Ive been using them in GRB to decent effect
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