Yep, just here to pretend they listen to the community. It’s a paper position.
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Well, do T-Series tanks have a massive autoloader that is somehow essential to, you know, reloading? and that consists of loads of mechanical and electical stuff that could be destroyed when a round or a bunch of molten metal is flying around the inside of a tank? Similar to a human loader? that can also be taken out in game?
Let’s not look at the fact that somehow these autoloaders have additional armor around them that conveniently have exactly the thickness of the cutoff so they catch spall from the lightest but still best armored mbt hulls sides but oh wonder, they are just thin enough to not produce any spall themselves when penned. Magic, i know.
And does the other have a metal cage without mechanical components and very little electical components so does not contribute to the traverse mechanism and doesnt stop any spall. But somehow, magically that metal floor that has nothing to do with the turret traverse mechanism stops the rotation of a 20 ton tank turret?
That might be the answer you’re looking for
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To be fair, the snailers did release a very appreciated statement for the reasoning of why they are adding these updated interiors and good reasoning for why they are or can only update all the tanks gradually so i guess all we can do is hope it wont take years until tanks of other nations also get to enjoy more annoying features and just stay away from top tier for one or two patches.
Or just play russia, cause to be honest the t90m and t80 bvm surviving with minor damage pushing around a corner angled at 45 ° and being shot right through the driver without any further damage to the tank and in case of the t80bvm a nonpen on the mighty russian era by the light tank known as the leclerc and its pitiful dart was kinda impressive.
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I’m curious to know, if this is meant to be added to more MBTs, does that mean the T-series are included. I checked the T-80BVM and the T-90M last night and while the autoloader was modelled, it wasn’t connected to the turret ring/basket in anyway despite being so in IRL. The ammo carousel rotates with the turret. If we want to assume and model random hoses and cables within the botton of the turret as part of the horizontal drive system, does that mean the T-series are about to get a massive module that includes the horizontal drive AND the autoloader system? Or is this just NATO-only nerf?
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Bit of brown stuff on the nose there. Post-patch, the sentiment around this massive nerf is still overwhelmingly negative. It’s just a matter of Gaijin not caring about it enough to course correct in the slightest at this point.
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for now its only m1 and leo but its go for all top mbt and really i wish form this game to remove it for game play if we speak in realty we will see fuel to tank and if i hit your fuel tank you will stop
By the way, when adding this modification to Russian tanks, the turret will stop moving if the tank’s head is hit from above, or literally any hit anywhere, due to the narrow space inside Russian tanks. But who knows, this company loves the Russians very much.
I am aware its just the the Abrams and Leopard at this point. My curiosity is if they intend to include the T-series. My money is on no, but hey, I could be wrong.
Unfortunately, they said that it will be added to everyone, but not at the same time. Most likely, each update will modify one or two tanks.
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They’re “going to be working on it” for the next couple years
Just had to make sure that US stays under 40% WR in top tier.
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I want to know how and why a hit to the driver is enough to stop the turret, and sometimes even if the engine is hit the turret stops
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I don’t know why when say you “son” or “young man” you intend to sound wise but you don’t.
Did not receive the basket modeled as horizontal, i also own every Merkava in Israeli tech tree and i know the suffering, no armor at all but they’re tricky tanks, once an Object 292 shot my fuel tanks and i literally survived with no damage at all.
Still did not receive any nerf lately, DM53 + Leopard 2A7HU is a really great tank.
I do not own a leclerc but after fighting against them i find it hard to penetrate some of them spots.
Still unpenetrable hull, autoloader act like a spall liner which improved their survivability, having the best Realistic Ground battles lineup with the best SPAA and CAS and Helis.
Not like the Abrams which get lolpenned by any tank and light tank, the first thing you get disabled is the turret ring which an absurd thing to happen considering that this tank did not get penned from that spot in real life at all, if we’re considering that this game is realistic and based on realism.
It’s not, it been acknowledged but Devs are lazy ash, also DU should’ve been added with A3 a long time ago.
Abrams is indeed suffering comparing it with Leos and T80s, however comparing it with nations like Italy is absurd considering the US spending billions on their Tanks and ignoring a huge weakspot like that.
Cry = Complaining which Russian mains are professionals in this.
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It was excuses rather than reasoning, and they were bad excuses.
It was also terrible reasoning. You just wouldn’t release these changes until every tank was prepared to get them. Very simple.
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Idk what the convo is about before this but don’t start with the 2a7 for italy. It’s a single spawn and it’s been nerfed a ton since release on top of your 2nd and 3rd and 4th spawn MBTS being total garbage.
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Term of enderement.
The merkavas didnt recieve the basket at all
So my point stands?
im nearly at the mk3 merkava, but as far as my 9.3 experience goes, i play them well, but good god theyre fragile, can only imagine the top tier ones are brutal.
The ariete didnt recieve a nerf?
No they just recieved blatant refusals to actually fix them, which has been proven with god knows how many sources, on both the armour and war kit ( its armours not exactly fantastic to begin with but cmon)
The Dm53 does not automatically make the tank amazing, and the 2A7HU is one tank, there are 4 near identical abrams right now in the american TT, the M1A1 which is only marginally worse than the 12.0s and then the Click-bait and AIM that takes it up to over 7 abrams that are all equally effective.
Thats user error, not the tank, like firing into volumetrics, the leclerc armour values per an old report were proven again to be wrong, as well as its reload.
The T80’s ive used are very much penetrable mate.
Which is just false, my T80s. T72s, and T90s all die one tap majority of the time im hit in the AL, but if im in the type 90 and my AL gets truck I tend to just get a broken AL and leave.
if you truly believe this is based on realism at this point then im sorry mate.
The fact is balance comes first, and shockingly enough the abrams IRL isnt some indesctrutible death machine, just like any other tank they get taken out easily enough.
Tanks rarely fight one another as well so to say oh the turret ring isnt a weak point, well try firing a 76mm cannon at one IRL at 400 meters and seeing what it does.
Itll no doubt go through.
However the difference is IRL that shot is near impossible, Why? because at the end of the day its not a computer game with 16 V 16 tanks rolling around at near 70kmph slinging darts at one another.
The DU was never proven in the hull im not going over this again.
the so called “bug reports” for it were so hollow they could literally have meant anything by the standard of it.
M829A3 is as far as im aware gonna make no difference as the ERA penetrators arent modelled, if they were L27A1 wouldnt be as bloody useless.
It has been acknowledged which means its not being actively denied or ignored.
However I do agree the response on bug reports is abhorrently slow.
USA does not spend billions on their tanks, as far as im aware it mostly goes to the Air force and navy, the MBT of most nato countries are actually quite old while the do upgrade them it tends to not go as high as people think.
They are infact, not compared to the “T80’s” theres literally one competive T80 at top tier thats comparable to the abrams and that is the BVM, the T80U is miles worse than the M1A1 HC and even the M1A1 which is a lower Br.
but lets not touch on how the objectively better M1A2 and M1A1 HC sit at 11.7 while the leopard 2a5 sits at 12.0
with
- worse firepower
- worse round
- worse reload
- slightly lower moblity
- engine deck nerf cant aim back mostly
- same massive breach weakpoint and turret basket.
The USA mains on this forum absolutely are the worst for just non stop complaining if their equipment literally isn’t kerb stomping. USSR got a competive jet with the Mig29 in dev? cry until it got A historically nerfed
Su27 the same
gripen? lasted about 1 month before nerfs rolled in, now it runs a prototype FM from what ive seen on its drag stats etc opposed to the C variant of the damn plane.
F4E release? wasnt good enough mig21 was faster. - mig 21 gets nerfed to being miles inferior.
F14A dominated the ARB scene even with the mig29 and such floating about.
i want stuff balanced and historical.
That means things like the abrams will never be some unkillable power house, its just not that tank mate.
Same as CR2 while it should be better in game, I do not suddenly want it turned into a mobile bunker.
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I agree, but I hate when Italy top tier is presented in a favorable light simply because they have 2a7
Because the abrams are CAPABLE they are in the top 3 for best MBTs int eh damn game xD
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