Idk what the convo is about before this but don’t start with the 2a7 for italy. It’s a single spawn and it’s been nerfed a ton since release on top of your 2nd and 3rd and 4th spawn MBTS being total garbage.
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Term of enderement.
The merkavas didnt recieve the basket at all
So my point stands?
im nearly at the mk3 merkava, but as far as my 9.3 experience goes, i play them well, but good god theyre fragile, can only imagine the top tier ones are brutal.
The ariete didnt recieve a nerf?
No they just recieved blatant refusals to actually fix them, which has been proven with god knows how many sources, on both the armour and war kit ( its armours not exactly fantastic to begin with but cmon)
The Dm53 does not automatically make the tank amazing, and the 2A7HU is one tank, there are 4 near identical abrams right now in the american TT, the M1A1 which is only marginally worse than the 12.0s and then the Click-bait and AIM that takes it up to over 7 abrams that are all equally effective.
Thats user error, not the tank, like firing into volumetrics, the leclerc armour values per an old report were proven again to be wrong, as well as its reload.
The T80’s ive used are very much penetrable mate.
Which is just false, my T80s. T72s, and T90s all die one tap majority of the time im hit in the AL, but if im in the type 90 and my AL gets truck I tend to just get a broken AL and leave.
if you truly believe this is based on realism at this point then im sorry mate.
The fact is balance comes first, and shockingly enough the abrams IRL isnt some indesctrutible death machine, just like any other tank they get taken out easily enough.
Tanks rarely fight one another as well so to say oh the turret ring isnt a weak point, well try firing a 76mm cannon at one IRL at 400 meters and seeing what it does.
Itll no doubt go through.
However the difference is IRL that shot is near impossible, Why? because at the end of the day its not a computer game with 16 V 16 tanks rolling around at near 70kmph slinging darts at one another.
The DU was never proven in the hull im not going over this again.
the so called “bug reports” for it were so hollow they could literally have meant anything by the standard of it.
M829A3 is as far as im aware gonna make no difference as the ERA penetrators arent modelled, if they were L27A1 wouldnt be as bloody useless.
It has been acknowledged which means its not being actively denied or ignored.
However I do agree the response on bug reports is abhorrently slow.
USA does not spend billions on their tanks, as far as im aware it mostly goes to the Air force and navy, the MBT of most nato countries are actually quite old while the do upgrade them it tends to not go as high as people think.
They are infact, not compared to the “T80’s” theres literally one competive T80 at top tier thats comparable to the abrams and that is the BVM, the T80U is miles worse than the M1A1 HC and even the M1A1 which is a lower Br.
but lets not touch on how the objectively better M1A2 and M1A1 HC sit at 11.7 while the leopard 2a5 sits at 12.0
with
- worse firepower
- worse round
- worse reload
- slightly lower moblity
- engine deck nerf cant aim back mostly
- same massive breach weakpoint and turret basket.
The USA mains on this forum absolutely are the worst for just non stop complaining if their equipment literally isn’t kerb stomping. USSR got a competive jet with the Mig29 in dev? cry until it got A historically nerfed
Su27 the same
gripen? lasted about 1 month before nerfs rolled in, now it runs a prototype FM from what ive seen on its drag stats etc opposed to the C variant of the damn plane.
F4E release? wasnt good enough mig21 was faster. - mig 21 gets nerfed to being miles inferior.
F14A dominated the ARB scene even with the mig29 and such floating about.
i want stuff balanced and historical.
That means things like the abrams will never be some unkillable power house, its just not that tank mate.
Same as CR2 while it should be better in game, I do not suddenly want it turned into a mobile bunker.
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I agree, but I hate when Italy top tier is presented in a favorable light simply because they have 2a7
Because the abrams are CAPABLE they are in the top 3 for best MBTs int eh damn game xD
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are you still playing the abrams?
its rivaring for number 5 rn
the numerous issue of it must be fix for it to maintain the number 3 otherwise the other tank would be better
I could say the same about russian mains. U dont realize that this logic also applies to russian mains too. Russian mains didnt complain about ufo flying backwards su30 and u guys thought that wasnt ripped from realism and unbalanced when it comes to A2G. Not to mention complaining at su30s engines while u guys literally have the best BVR missile now. BRUH
Ofc ARB wise russian air was kinda trash but russia literally stomped GRB.
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All they do is complain everything that got nerfed in this game it’s because of them, but when people complain about their stuff they attack and insult them.
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the ad hominem effect
The sheet metal around the autoloaders is counted as the auto loader… you guys, yet again, got off lucky!
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The slightest sliver of spall destroys the auto loaders, I’ve experienced this on the receiving end, and on the giving end. They honestly have too low of health.
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No, they pushed it through because it’s more realistic and fair.
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It’s not more realistic, it’s been debunked already that gaijin is exaggerating how much a dart hitting some random area center mass would affect operations. It’s DEFINITELY not more fair since this only applies to two tanks that didn’t need nerfs while not applying to anybody else. The Abrams in particular was already very bad survivability wise and this makes it insufferable to play.
Realistic would be every T-80 having about half the armor and about double the distance on their turret tosses.
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Something something Russian autoloaders needs before anyone else something something
The abrams was never really bad to play, I enjoyed it like I did the Leo 2a7Hu.
Also your last point about the T-80 makes 0 sense my guy.
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Not to someone such as yourself, I think other people would find it funny
I did.
Still using both abrams and Leopard 2a5, 6, Pl and A4 while getting the PSO
The Abrams right now is still better than CR2, Ariete, merkavas, Type 10s, the chinese MBTs, and the leclercs.
id personally say its on par with the BVM , but you get as i said 4 TT abrams to 1 BVM.
and the 2a7 and STRVs are above it.
The 2a5 is worse than the abrams due to them all getting the m829A2 round at 11.7.
It does stand, the merkavas are worse still than the abrams xD
Yeah it seems that way, think ill unlock the mk4s but stay with the mk3s
Hardly, most minor nations struggle to even get a look in compared to the big 3 AKA USA , germany and USSR
No its not, the M829A2 out of hte abrams performs better than the DM53 out of the ariete.
Only on the L/55 caliber gun is the DM53 higher penetrating than the abrams L/44 caliber M829A2.
So that wasn’t true.
The fact ive made near 40k rp with them in about 7 game ssays otherwise, the abrams are very much worth grinding mate.
The russians have 1 good MBT the rest are mediocre at best.
T72B3/ T90M are still T72s that still have a -4 reverse speed, 7.1 second reload and are incredibly weak tanks.
The T80U has a pretty painful round in the 3BM46 at 11.7 while the Abrams have M829A2 with a 5 second reload, better mobility and armour if you dont just throw it at the enemy.
The T80U hull is substantially better in one area, the UFP, all russian tanks LFP will one tap them.
It doesnt spall any different, as someone proved to me on a different comment thread.
It isnt modelled in game is what I said, Same as L27A1 is modelled to be anti kontakt.
No it was proven to exist in 5 M1A1 variants at one stage or another.
Cause again like i just explained they werent within 500 meters of one anotehr firing high powered anti tank rounds.
The T80 Auto loader BS was something that cropped up with the BVM when people kept taking short videos and stuff about it but it was few and far between
No one said that, but theres a massive distinction between asking for the turret ring fix and demanding M829A3 , turret ring, DU armour in the hull.
I digress.
They just arent man, theyre the easiest top tiers out of the big 3 to take out, if you struggle with fighting T90s and T80s thats a you issue.
What is ignored from the USA? they have a list of reports that went through not a few months ago, from fuel tank shielding and material, to volumetric turret rings and other assorted goodies.
They actively deny or ignore reports on smaller nations when they are proved.
Costing 10 million per tank is a massive distinction from development cost.
Precurement is not developement, the main armour system, weapons systems and power systems have all been well designed and established for decades.
what they focus on improving now is FCS, and tank to tank, tank to base and battlefield cover coms etc etc.
Again no it doesnt.
Never said otherwise, but why does the objectively worse tank sit at a higher BR¿
Shows how much you know, the Leopard 2a5 has no ERA, infact, none of the leopard 2s have ERA in germany as far as im aware of it.
Most if not all top tier rounds can fire clean through the drivers side of a leopard 2PL, 2A4, 2A5 and 2A6 killing 3 out of the 4 crew. thus one tapping it.
Same could be said for you with USSR mains, seeing as you made the comment first about them crying.
When in reality I just objectively pointed out its the the USA mains who are on forums more than anyone else.
Theres no hatred here for anyone.
the R 77-1 is not the best ARH missile in the game, its better if the target is flying in a straight line not moving at all, as soon as the target pulls in any direction the missile over leads and bleeds a lot of energy.
Its fantastic for closer engagements however. It is not directly better than the AIM120s.
More of a side grade.
While the SU30 originally was ludicrous the thing still can do some wild manoeuvres IRL as well.
Who is they? because most people who have a “main” nation complain like fk that they arent top dog.
And those who play multiple nations look at it more objectively.
It isnt a bad tank that is why.
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I just don’t understand why the floor is part of the damage model… Because once it is broken the gunner can no longer stand and operate anything? Are they dropped on the ground???
Autoloader on t series tanks is a good example of internal structure, since it does not significantly nerf the tank itself. But addition of basket is definitely not a good idea. Just imagine both leopard and t80 get their main body hitted, t80 has another chance to shoot and kill, while leopard 2 need to run away(because they are not able to aim). That is what makes leopard hard, not to mention Abrams.
Im tired not able to return fire. The turret basket is a horrible idea. Especially since it doesn’t contain any elements to traverse the turret. Russian tanks are too op now, they always have the chance to shot back, while you can’t move, cant aim…its a game jesus. Why so unbalanced?
Also every hit is not factually a lethal hit. You either die immeadetly or have to wait for the follow up shot. While you can’t do anything. Bad.