Abrams: The whole basket isn’t directly connected to the floor, there is a centered connection in the basket to run hydraulic/electricity/etc through that in turn drives the turrets components. The basket itself around that isn’t connected or doing any of the work. So if you look at the main posts damage model (leopards shown but still helps to make my point) only the center circle should be the part that if damaged effects the drive.
Leopard: There is a hole in the center that hydraulic cables and electrical cables are run through. it isn’t connected to the floor at all. same as Abrams i can fully accept that hitting that center that has the cables will disable turret operability but no the whole floor.
Incorrect (at least to my knowledge), there is a slip ring but no drive.
The issue here is that their rationale is that hitting the metal of the basket will bend it and jam it against the floor and/or the walls so by that logic the T-serries autoloader should do the same right?
“damage to the basket can physically deform its elements and prevent normal functioning of the turret drives or damage everything around them if the turret was rotated.”
Where did they say that? Because currently they do, and from what i understand that is how they are intending it to work so reporting it won’t be fruitful as it’s working as intended.
“important elements such as electrics and hydraulics are all located in and around the basket area and all provide some power to the drives and turret in different ways. These and other elements fill almost the entirety of a tank’s interior outside of the crew operating areas. The floor of the turret basket is not just a metal sheet to walk on, but instead houses all kinds of electrics and hydraulics with means to connect them to the hull.”
Those are not modeled in the damage model and the floor is instead the thing that stops rotation. The last sentence is also to my knowledge not correct.
I quoted directly from the devs response in the main post:
“damage to the basket can physically deform its elements and prevent normal functioning of the turret drives or damage everything around them if the turret was rotated.”
The walls weren’t part of the damage model, but the electronics and hydraulics were:
Here is the hull of the Leopard 2A5: ( User:Boevaya mashina/tanks - Wikimedia Commons )
The “tubes” are the suspension bars, the electrical wires are the ones that are connected to the basket.
Here is the 2A7: ( User:Boevaya mashina/tanks - Wikimedia Commons )
The only thing connecting the hull and the basket (at the floor) are those three electrical wires and that one hydraulic hose that are in the center of the image in-between the suspension bars.
Here is someone that had a tour of the Abrams factory in 2013: ( Building the U.S. Army's M1A2 Abrams tank (pictures) - CNET )
The images are numbered to the bottom left, image 9 shows that the floor is indeed just a metal sheet and doesn’t house anything. Lots of things on top of it though that would effect the turrets handling if hit, (again, i personally have no problem if they model those things). Image 15 shows the slip ring that connects at the center of the basket.
Agreed, all tanks use slip rings as well, if not for hydraulics than for electronics. Hitting a tank there with an autoloader should not only stop the aiming drives, but also knock out the autoloader, and thermals. If Gaijin is not going to model every single electrical connection going to said components, then the hydraulics should be removed.
I did get this bug report accepted. Hopefully they apply it to leopards as well
I just realized an additional answer to this other than the previous ones i’ve already given above. The T-serries (not sure if all or just some) also have a slip ring equivalent at the bottom center of the “basket” in the same way Abrams does.
The autoloaders are built into the turret, not the hull, they rotate with the turret in order to keep the shells in line with the turret. It IS supplied by either hydraulic fluid or electric
You’re right. I’m wrong about that. It is built into the hull. It wouldn’t be able to load anyway without the turret drive " As usual, the gun needs to be lifted to a fixed angle to line it up properly for the loading mechanism to ram fresh rounds into the chamber, and this is done by the hydraulic vertical stabilizer piston of the cannon. To hold it in place, the gun is hydrolocked."