Since it seems you’ve got no reason to be here except troll and be annoying, no, I don’t.
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I guess you missed his statement that 0.3 BR difference does not matter, while throwing an absolute hissy fit in a parallel thread because two vehicles are at the same BR, and latter one should drop for “balance”.
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- It passes clear through with no spall and kills your engine
I hope you do realise that the hitbox for the engine of the Abrams is incredibly high? This makes it so you can lose both your horizontal and engine at the same time, and most likely all your crew as well.
Your example doesn’t take into account the fact that all T-80 variants have superior armour to the M1 excluding the T-80B and maybe the T-80UD as well.
Russian vehicles have no module equivalent to the hydraulic pump which bare in mind is a 30 second repair with max crew skill.
You have better survivability, no matter what, the T-Tanks are packed like a frickin clown car
Tell me you haven’t played the M1 without telling me… Gameplay is literally you constantly losing your horizontal lmao
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Aye.
The only thing you’ve said to my points is that I’m rage baiting followed by gifs. Nothing of value was said on your end
The T-80 uses a Hydraulic generator for its Vertical and horizontal traverse, specifically the 2E28M2 generator, in the left hand side of the hull where ammo is stowed behind the fuel tanks.
Visible here in this diagram, the hydraulic stabilizer and traverse generator drive is clearly shown to the lower left segment of the turret, which left of it in the hull is the amplidyne generator, visible in the next image.
Next is the system outside of the vehicle.
The drive in and of itself is in the turret, the generator system is in the hull; in short, the T-80 doesn’t have a turret basket, but it does lack a hydraulic system in the damage model.
All specific details and images come from Tankograd, if you’d like the link I’d happily supply it. As well as another segment on the T-72 if you’d like some in depth on it as well, however, you may not find it as appealing of a ‘nerf’ to it compared to the T-80.
@Fluffy_Bucketles do you think that’s good enough evidence to get them to stop whining about turret baskets enough to get them to big report missing modules on the T-Tanks.
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Aye, cheers. Forgot it was down there as I hadn’t looked into t series tanks in a while (as I said), but that should provide them adequate information to report it if they’re so inclined.
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It’s kind of weird, the booster/generator is in the hull but the drive itself is in the turret, compared on the T-72 where the drive is actually in the hull, because it’s electrically powered. =P
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Eh.
Considering your statement about KH-38 and Pantsir’s capabilities i’d say she’s quite the sane.
The T-72 dosen’t have turret basket according to google and youtube. So I assume it basically the autoloader…
so, then they should make it unable to traverse, if autoloader taken out
ok So basically the T72 family dosen’t have the turret basket not like the T-64s and T-80s
ChatGPT:
Good question — here’s the breakdown:
🔧 If you knock out the T-72’s autoloader:
- Turret rotation will still work.
- The autoloader and turret rotation are separate systems.
What happens if you destroy the autoloader?
| Effect | Outcome |
|---|---|
| Autoloader mechanism damaged | Gun can’t load automatically (and there’s no manual backup), so the tank can’t fire effectively. |
| Turret rotation system intact | The turret can still rotate using manual or electric drive. |
| Crew response | The crew can still aim, scan, and rotate the turret, but they’re basically a gun platform with no way to shoot. |
🧠 Additional Notes:
- There is no manual loading option in the T‑72 if the autoloader breaks.
- Unlike some Western tanks, the T‑72 is heavily dependent on its autoloader to fire.
- The carousel sits on the turret floor — damaging it often leads to ammo detonation, which is what usually knocks out the tank entirely.
So in summary:
Yes, the turret will still spin even if the autoloader is destroyed.
But, the tank becomes combat ineffective because it can’t load the gun.
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as module it will. chatgpt is wrong. it even tries to prove that it wouldnt be able to do so
TBH, for T-72 even slightly autoloader move in wrong way(after mines for example) gonna just jamm it, probably with entire turret
So, you are basically saying Leos and Abrams are nerfed?
Gaijin shouldn’t make such a mechanic unless EVERYONE gets it.
You don’t want the “nerf” while others should just shut up and accept it?
Talk about hypocrisy dude.
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I think that the loss of hydraulic/electric drives should just slow the turret rotation, same as if you turn the engine off and let the battery drain, I’m pretty sure MBTs still have manual traverse for it the powered system is damages, or even simply maintenance so you can move the turret without starting the tank.
it would probably help if the FCS for MBTs was split into sections so you didn’t lose everything at once, also an all round increase to the durability of systems/ baskets/auto loaders and an increase to repair speed, currently a single piece of spall with disable the auto loader/ basket and its an instant 45sec repair even with an experted crew.
I also think the reason that the M1 and L2 are the only ones with they system implemented is due to them being the 2 tanks that tent to be decently armoured and large enough to not be disabled from a single shot, all other MBTs are either very compact making it easy to do a lot of damage with a single pen, like the T-series, especially now with the auto loader modeled or the Leclerc.
Or they have no armour worth mentioning like the Ariete and would just get bullied by auto cannons if they had modules added.
Or both like the Type 10/ 90.
And then there is the Challenger… that thing doesn’t need any more issues…
Now before the pitch fork gang comes for me over the Abrams… yes if you shot trap it under the gun you can 1 tap it or at least destroy both the engine and breech leaving it helpless. However if you angle it or just straight up put it side on it becomes near imposable to both immobilize it and disable its gun, meaning that it can either run away and repair or shoot back. I believe that is what they where trying to “fix” with the addition of the extra modules.
I do think they over did it though and it needs to be dialed back to a more reasonable level where it can be applied to other tanks as well.
do you think that’s good enough evidence to get them to stop whining about turret baskets enough to get them to big report missing modules on the T-Tanks
Ah yes, me when the community points out the unfairness in Gaijins decision makes us the “whiners” while Russian mains continue to be hand held like a orphan adopted into a wealthy family - a great example would be the totally real Kh-38MT.
I love it when Russian mains with the power of Joseph Stalin, Lenin and the Last Khan forge the obviously most bias statement in human existence, you guys are honestly larger deniers than Turkish people which in themselves hold the title for the biggest deniers in human history.
The drive in and of itself is in the turret, the generator system is in the hull; in short, the T-80 doesn’t have a turret basket, but it does lack a hydraulic system in the damage model
The issue isn’t the turret basket which bare in mind nobody I’ve been aware of have been complaining stating that it should be introduced onto the BVM or B3, that’s something you’ve randomly concluded naively.
The issue is the inconsistent treatment of vehicles in-game, nations like China, America, Germany previously, Israel and Italy suffer from (and probably Britain as well). You’ve continuously failed to acknowledge this painting a narrative that Russia isn’t a favoured nation and that everyone who doesn’t say this are “whiners”.
The damage model is only 20% of the issue on hand
An example is the lack of spall liners on ALL Chinese MBTs, incorrect reload for Chinese MBTs and incorrect armour layout/model for Chinese MBTs.
The T-90M was literally planned to be the only vehicle with a spall liner, I wonder why
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as far as i have seen on the russian/soviet T-series tanks dont have a turret basket in the same way as on the abrams/leopard 2.
the T-80/T-64 with the MZ autoloader looks like its integrated in to the turret and functions in a way like a turret basket when looking at it in pictures.
and for the T-90/T-72 with the AZ autoloader it looks like it just lacks a turret basket overall
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Im 100% sure that i can’t it’s happened so many times were i can’t fire but it may just be a glitch for me
Even if the turret basket is destroyed on the leo or abrams they should still be able to turn the turret
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Yes that true