Removed tanks obtainable for eveyone

i make this post following the recent changes to some tanks.

so as all of you who play around the 6.3 to 7.3 br will alreaddy know. the games are now flodded with flakpanzer 341’s, panther 2’s and tiger 2 10.5’s.
and it is really unfair.

the flakpanz 341 had a new shell added making it just way to overpowered, it can kill t34-85’s from accross the map

while the tiger 2 10.5 hasent really changed, this is exactly the issue at hand, every single tiger2 has been nerfed to the ground in the engine department, losing a little bit of top speed and top speed ( accept premium one) that makes the tiger2 10.5 that is unchanged the fastest tiger 2 in the game.

and well the panther 2 we dont need to talk about, it has always been way to powerfull

im sure the devs wont be looking at this post

but i do want to suggest some things

for the flakpanzer 341 its simple, revert the changes they made in the last update, the tank didnt need this buff at all it was alreaddy one of if not the best non radar anti air in the game.

for the tiger 2 10.5 there is a few things that can be done
the engine power and top speed dan be adjusted to be more proportional to the rest of the tiger2’s
the changes on all other tigers can be reverted

and for the panther 2 well there is only one thing that can be done

and that brings me to the best solution they can offer.
and honnestly what they should do is just unlock those vehicles again for everyone to unlock.
like i says these tanks are verry powerfull and its unfair that some people can have then and others not, its not some event or tournament vehicle so why lock it away

only the people who have it will vote against this idea as ofc they want to keep abusing these verry powerfull vehicles all alone.

i think the best way is to make them unlockable just like the maus, just 1 time a year, make that tank avalible for people to unlock, so the game can be balanced and fair again

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could be a grab during the anniversary event similar to what they did with the maus

i’d be all for that in all honesty

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I own all 3 and I agree wholeheartedly.

The Tiger 105, Panther II, and Flakpanzer 341 were never meant to be exclusive, they were actual tech tree vehicles.

What upsets me the most is the hypocrisy.

How can a vehicle be too unhistorical to be obtainable, yet not too unhistorical to meet in battle?

IMO they should either be fully available to everyone or removed entirely.

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might aswell remove all unobtainable vehicles then, r2y2s, chinese pt76, the old italian planes in the german tech tree, the old russian bombers that were used as filler to obtain ,most vehicles in a game" and the F16AJ

instead of coelian they can add a different flakpanther version of the tank
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people are just jealous so they want them nerfed or gone completly since they cant get it themselfs

and as you can see in the beginning, he mostly mentioned the 105 tiger and the coelian and why? because of the recent buffs, Panther II is good aswell but gets overshadowed by the coelian and tiger 105

Tbh I only see these coming back in either a ‘newer style’ rp event, or a sturmtiger style anniversary one.

I highly doubt gaijin will put these back in the tech tree, ever

main reason why people want them back now more than ever is due to the buffs
you didnt see alot of topics created about them, but now you see alot of them

Good analogy, it’s the same situation as these tanks.

Not sure what you mean

Those were not “removed” per say, but rather moved to the Italian tech tree. They’re obtainable there.

Is that how they got the record? I had no idea. Are we actually missing out on something or is it just copy paste?

Good point, that’s also pretty similar to the German tank situation. If one is OK then the other should be too.

I want this as well, but it’s not a true replacement for Flakpanzer 341. That’s a similar weapon to what Sd.Kfz. 6/2 has at BR 2.3, if I’m not mistaken.

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https://old-wiki.warthunder.com/PT-76_(China)

Was removed from research a bit ago, same as the german trinity and the R2Y2’s

There was always an underlying demand for their return though, nearly as long as i’ve been playing, people have always been begging for them to come back, but I agree, now that the coelian is gaining some time in the spotlight, there is far more discourse about them

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Just copy paste really, i think it was very minor differences in engine power.

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it has been replaced by the obj211

People naturally tend to talk about the hot topics, and the recent buffs simply brought the topic into the light again.

My position on the vehicles are the same with the buffs or without.

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Still, it’s a vehicle that exists to those who had it before, but has since been removed

yes the italian SM bombers and russian bombers were used as a filler but are now collector items because of its removal, if people want that stuff completly gone then the grind would have been for nothing

No it isnt a similar weapon…

Its the same one.

I don’t think anyone wants those vehicles gone as they were very real vehicles, I think they should be added back to the game in the premium section of the tech tree, and should be researchable whenever you want, but you do not need to research them to unlock anything else in the tree.

and people only want the op stuff
this topic is one of the fewer ones that talks about tiger 105 and the coelian (panther 2 only got mentioned otherwise it would look dumb)
most topics are about the coelian because of its br breaking buff its received so people want it back and join in on the seal clubbing

Would be an absolute bitch to balance then, since a panther chassis cannot be at 3.0 but also a crappy 20mm cannot be at like 5.0 (rough BRs)