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It’s not so much premiums as it’s interesting vehicles. KV1 & M4A2 are among my favorite tanks of WW2 since I played BF1942 in 2004.
I picked up M60A1 DC Ariete cause it was neat.
As for the grind, I didn’t play M47 nor M60A1 DC Ariete until I had the previous rank spaded. M26, FIAT, and the other thing… AWFUL, yes that’s intentional.
Then I used 7.7 Italy, spaded everything, got Ariete P using M47, M60, and OF-40.
Cause they’re fun.
So yes, I’ve played domestic Italy for many days, which you clearly know I have.
10 matches is ~2 hours.
The only Italian tank I stopped playing is M26 cause the lineup’s gone now.
As for examples of my efficiency, I stopped playing Mirage 3C the moment it was spaded.
I’m sure it’s just that they’re interesting. If you think the 6.3 or 6.7 vehicles are or were awful, then I can’t honestly trust your opinion. “Many days,” doesn’t mean much when all that shows is you blowing through premiums, then coming in to talk about how Italy must be flooded with Soviet tech.
Being frank, it seems like you just don’t like the Italy tree and the only thing possibly to interest you would be a Leopard 2 or T-72 or something. Why not just stick to Germany and have all your NATO/WP combos over there?
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No, just the AUBL. FIAT Is nice, and M26 is absolute glory, but no more lineup sadly unless I do M26 & Re 2006.
Also M60A1 being the only premium I used during Italy, which I only used upon reaching OF40 since I don’t bring one tank lineups, and I only used it in battles with OF40 & M47.
So no, I didn’t “blow through” premiums as you claim.
Since you’re out here antagonizing people that love the Italian tech tree…
Safe to say you’re not a fan of Italy.
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“Since you’re out here antagonizing people that love the Italian tech tree…
Safe to say you’re not a fan of Italy.”
Please, search my name in-game and check my most used vehicles! :D
“Also M60A1 being the only premium”
Which is your most used Italian vehicle with 180 matches, your 3rd most being the premium F-104 TAS with 80 battles, your 9th most used is the AUBL HVG, and your 14th most used is the Panzer 4 G. This is more than “just the M60 premium!”
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Well yeah, F-104S TAF was to get through the American jets that I didn’t want to play for a 3rd time.
I wanted to play G91YS and I can’t research that with props.
And F-104S TAF is an Italian jet which is far more unique than F-84G.
AUBL HVG is an event vehicle, which means it was free.
Panzer 4G didn’t exist [in my ownership] until I already had Ariete P.
So yes, it’s just the M60.
Again, instead of antagonizing me you could actually listen.
I have listened to you, and you have never made a case for Soviet vehicles being in the Italian tree?
You stated you played Italy, and have claimed I hated Italy and that I’m not a fan, because I’ve told you specifically that I don’t highly value your opinion, given that you seem to hardly play Italy and have skipped many of the vehicles, and that you want Soviet vehicles to be added in their place.
So, then, the floor is yours to make a case? How does a T-72M1 going in at 9.3 plug any gaps in the Italy tree, when 9.3 is one of the strongest lineups? Or a Leopard 2A4 at 10.3? You instead mentioned a Leopard 2A7 Gaijin has never stated is coming to Italy. The only possible gap being plugged currently is a radar-equpped ZSU-23-4 going in at 8.0, unless something magical has happened recently?
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They aren’t Soviet tho, they’re Hungarian.
Sure, the Soviets may have produced them, but service was with Hungary, which Italy is getting.
T-72M1 replaces one of my Centauros…
KF41 also becomes the first fast tracked vehicle of the tech tree, which is nice.
BTR-80 will be a nice recon vehicle, I love my BTRs, and playing them with OF-40 excites me.
This is a war games simulator after all, not a historical battles reenactment.
Custom battles are the best place for historical reenactments.
2A4 might not get played, time will tell.
…So you don’t actually have any rationale beyond the fact that you like them?
That’s quite selfish. Again, the German tree is more your lane, maybe the Soviets. Why not head over there instead of demanding they be in other trees?
As I have said already, these vehicles either enter into filler positions or take up space of Italian additions. This is the Italian tree, sorry to inform you, not the Soviet/German tree.
And yes, this game is not a “historical reenactment,” I agree! So, we do not need these Soviet vehicles just because Hungary historically operated them.
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They’re Hungarian, they stay.
That’s the rationale.
And I like some of them, dislike others.
But T-72 in general I like from BF Vietnam nostalgia.
And there you go hating on Italy again calling it Germany.
“Theyre Hungarian, they stay”
But you just said this game wasn’t a historic reenactment? So, inferring from that comment you made, just because they served Hungary doesn’t mean they should be there.
“And there you go hating on Italy again calling it Germany.”
Hahaha, what? Are you seriously just making things up? I said “The German tree is more your lane,” and “This is the Italian tree, sorry to inform you, not the German/Soviet tree?”
I’m sorry you misunderstood what I said, but let me lay it out plainly: If you are so focused on your BTRs and T-72s, why don’t you go play the Soviet tech tree instead, and leave the Italian tree to their own devices?
My focus is having Italian & Hungarian vehicles in same lineups.
M60, OF-40, M47 105, BTR-80 all in one lineup.
Beautiful, and hilarious.
OF-40, the 60mm thermal light tank I always forget the name of, T-72M1, Leo 1A5, and G91Y all in one lineup? Hilarious and beautiful.
You can’t get those lineups in anything other than Italy.
So again, what I’m hearing is “Me, Mine, Myself!”
You want all these vehicles in one tree at your own disposal, with no care for whatever tree it is. Well, sorry to shock you, many Italian players don’t appreciate this attitude! Maybe your One Man Army can go set up these lineups in some sandbox vehicle game? Or maybe Gaijin can make a special tree just for you to have every vehicle you want.
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If you don’t like the vehicles, so be it. But don’t grandstand cause you’re not better than everyone else for not liking a vehicle.
I’m not better than BMP-1 fans cause I hate the BMP-1.
Everything you said makes no sense to me
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Well, I give you my full support, but I would like to give my precise points of view.
As a 100% Italian player, I don’t want to see any other vehicles in my research tree unless they are Italians, but I accept Hungarians, if they were ONLY Hungarians, I don’t accept any German or Russian vehicles, I am very angry about this, we need no filler when the suggestions section is FULL of Italian vehicles and I suggest Italian vehicles myself.
If they really want to put the Hungarians in, at least they are originals and not a copy and paste. Also in my opinion Germany should have received the Lynx.
Really this time War Thunder has outdone himself, if you look into the Lynx discussion, a part of them are angry with us because we have their vehicles and spikes before the Israelis, even if we don’t hit anything, the Gaijin will only do us and only hate like this, i want to remove all copy paste vehicles and add italian (mainly) and then original hungarian vehicles
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We’re being treated like a 3 party nation, but that doesn’t seem to be the case as a good portion of the vehicles are buggy and even being reported nothing gets done. I prefer to continue to suffer with Italy, rather than receive an OP vehicle which should first have been part of the Germans.
We Italians will also be at a disadvantage, all right, but we are very skilled players who, despite having mediocre tanks, know how to kick everyone’s ass.
Do you want fun? Then see that you read the tanks suggested in the Italian nation and vote for them.
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They should of made its Magyar / Romanian line
Id much prefer seeing stuff like
Tier 4:
44M TAS - 6.0BR
Tier 5:
BMP-1 - 8.0BR
TR-77-580 - 8.7BR (3BM-20 APFSDS)
Tier 6:
TR-77M1 - 9.0BR (3BM-20 APFSDS)
TR-85 - 9.7BR (BM-412 Sg)
TR-85M1 - 10.0BR (BM-412 Sg)
Tier 7:
KF-41 Lynx - 10.7BR
Romanian 100mm BM-412 Sg APFSDS
[M1060A2 Penetrator inside 100mm Sabot]
Penetration comparable to 125mm 3BM-29 Nadfil-2
398mm @ 0m (0)
232mm @ 0m (60)
Armour of TR-77 Series
200mm Steel at 67 degrees - 512mm LOS
[Hull armour is invulnerable vs 120mm HEATFS]
Armour of TR-85 series
100mm Steel at 67 degrees
20mm ??? (Textolite, Rubber or Ceramic) at 67 degrees
80mm Steel at 67 degrees
Instead of T-72M1 or Leopard 2A4 in the Italian tree
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Give me a reason to add Romania and not the Italian tanks gathering dust to the suggestion list?
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Above all, it is not clear what the English TT is doing with a BR 10.7 tank.
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