why?
it is based on something real, just clearly not as real as you wanted, though mind you I think you mostly just have a personal dislike for the skink more than anything else, considering you havent complaned about the other oddities in those packs
Why the US shouldn’t have the Skink:
Of course I do, but I also care about historical accuracy and Gaijin loves to say how realistically detailed their vehicle models are. You have to hold them to this standard.
show me some that actually fit the game and would be 5.3-5.7
the US tech tree had a gap of 3.3 BRs from 4.0 to 7.3
adding new tanks takes time, adding a ‘copypaste’ doesnt
there are already canadian vehicles in the US tech tree
the grizzly is a license production of an american tank
not just the US didnt want it, theres a reason only like 3 were made
also the US not wanting it is irrelevant because its not being represented as an american vehicle in the game, its a canadian vehicle, it just sits in the US tech tree
they still are, if the skink were more widely used it wouldve been very likely more modifications similar to this to appear, plus the point of these packs is so that gaijin can sell multi-vehicle packs (which is a good idea that I personally support) while not having to be accused of ‘copypaste’ due to the unique cosmetic modelling, just adding some welded on bits of armour to the side doesnt make for a very visually unique vehicle
3 complete vehicles were made, more turrets were produced than that. The reason they axed the project is because the Allies had complete air dominance at that point. No need for more SPAA projects.
Here’s a list of just 20mm US SPAA’s, none of these are in game.
T10E1 Half-track:
3 Elco turreted vehicles:
T85:
M114A2:
M113 (unsure of official designation):
Baseless claim on the Skink getting wooden planks if it saw service. Just look at all the deployed Crusader AA Mk III’s, which were used by Canadians and the Free Polish. No wooden planks there.
almost all of those examples would not be 5.3, almost all would be lower
even the ones with 4x20mm would probably be lower than the skink as they are open top
and you complain about historical accuracy but youre advocating for an m113 to be added at such a low BR? what happened to this?
Please point to any BR’s I suggested in my list.
4.3 (tcm20 exists already)
reasonably around 4.7-5.0 low protection, similar to the hanomag but with a bit higher firepower
probably 5.0, similar to skink but open top
5.7-6.7
but also defeats your point of asking for historical accuracy
sure unique additions are nice but adding unique vehicles takes time, especially when materials and statistics for some of these would be hard to obtain
the skink was added because it was quick to add and it was needed, and it has reasonable arguments to be in the US tree
Above 6.0 is already starting into the early Cold War era.
And those are? Because I’ve yet to see any. Just US mains claiming the world despite having nothing to do with it.
And no, “it’s a Sherman” doesn’t count as at the end of the day, it was a conversion kit that made it to full production but wasn’t wanted by the US in any way. And a Sherman, the only relation to the US is the original blueprints.
“It fills a gap,” a gap that could have been filled with domestic vehicles rather than one rejected during development.
Hiding behind a Canadian flag and the reason why Canada isn’t allowed a HOME doesn’t make a FAKE vehicle real. Just for reference, all the active Canadians pushed back against the US Skink. It might as well fly the US flag, would make it 100% more of a real vehicle.
it being a grizzly, and modern US canada relations
already talked about that, have you considered reading?
It also in the British tree too, the US only got it because gaijin knew you lot would kick off.
And it was part of an exchange, We rightfully got the RAM so it made sense to also split the Skink
Which atm is at rock bottom, I wonder why they are now buying the Gripen instead of the F-35’s
Eh, the whole “exchange” thing was just marketing jargon in my opinion. Just an excuse to placate Canadian, Commonwealth, and British players.
Modern US-Canada relations? The same ones where buying an F-35 is a national security risk(so they’ve been in a review void)? The same ones that have led to domestic production/industry and the military dying as they sabotaged them as often as they can?
Also, it’s “Tank, Cruiser, Grizzly”, not M4XX. Back to my point one, only relation is it’s on a tank that was based on the Sherman, and even then it’s only on the Grizzly due to a lack of need(else it would have been on the Sherman V and like).
I did, I just saw excuses on why the US needs a vehicle they rejected without testing and never served in anything near them, over stuff they built. I saw no reason for the Skink other than letting Gaijin be lazy and US mains’ usual claim of Canadian vehicles as domestic to them.
Well, we don’t know that yet, they’ve yet to say something, but the full order has been up in the air for months now, the only thing we know of is the order that’s too late to back out of.
It shouldn’t have taken the US getting the Skink for the UK to get a vehicle; it was one of 3 operator nations of(Canada, UK and Netherlands). When the version in-game has been a fake vehicle for years, spreading misinformation.
Indeed, an “apology” for giving into US mains crying about a vehicle they have no claim on. Despite the UK getting a vehicle they should have had for years and one the US never should have had.
Gotta love a Band-Aid on an issue they created. Don’t implement any mid or upper tier US SPAA’s for years, sees a lot of US players complaining about no good SPAA’s - copy-pastes Skink because those same US players don’t know domestic options exist.
Even out of those 8 20mm options I listed, that’s not even all of them. That’s also not including all the other potential US based SPAA’s that use .50’s, 40mm’s, or other gun systems.
And many of them are likely better AA than the Skink, as it’s a 4.7/5.0 AA at 5.3(as all it has going for it is not being open top). Making the one point in this agreement void, as the US has many 4.7/5.0 options, as seen by the BRs guessed earlier.
Even the T85 with the quad Hispanos will be better than the Skink at AA work.
“Modern US-Canada relations” is the US threatening to ruin their economy, annex them and sell them downright worse tech because they want to
Not quite true - they have already committed the funds for 16 of 88 - that much is a done deal and it’s too late to do anything about it