as multipathing well change but its very rare for it to hit
Fluctuating AGL is why I mainly fly Afghanistan, Vietnam, Spain or Rocky Canyon in sim now due to the excessive multipathing. It’s not perfect but at least people have to be on their toes when being up against Fox 1’s, like they should. (good players will still get around it)
You should see how Denmark lobbies are played, everyone flying treetop with one side slinging invisible missiles at the other. The R27ER’s are basically just deforesting the map with the amount that are dragged into the ground…
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Just test it, fly someone low to the ground on flat terrain and measure the number of successful hits based on missile approach angle. You can use a water map so the ground level remains constant and test at various altitudes.
Yeah with flat ground it shouldn’t hit but maybe someone should check
(I have checked, I am just not that vested into this)… I wanted to see if I could kill people skimming with the R-27’s cuz that would be hilarious… you can’t…
The scenarios where you can are practically top-down and the radar/missile often just loses track. Seems like there is similar results regardless of missile or radar… and there are few cases when you want to be directly above someone in open air when they have missiles as well.
The R-27ER and the pantsir are the most blatant example of russian bias, considering how long they’ve been reigning over anything else by such a large margin
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I really don’t know how you can say there is Russian bias when stuff like the F-5E is HEAVILY overperforming solely because Gaijin is using Russian sources for modeling their FM.
The Russians didn’t even have thermal targeting pods until recently… they were suffering in that regard for quite some time. There are tons of other examples.
The best aircraft in the game certainly aren’t even Russian. I don’t even know if I’d place them in top 5 right now.
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engine exhaust on it is too cold for some reason as well
The damage model is insane, in spite of the fact that it is the lightest fighter jet with a radar afaik… empty weight of ~9,000 pounds or so. About the same weight as a loaded MiG-15…
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I think we all know that US mains brains would explode if there was an end to their handholding in Air RB.
US stuff top-selling in Ground and Air for each category, even the first and only rank 8 premium.
F-20A right now is so handheld.
Russian Bias this, Russian Bias that.
Just don’t look at how terrible and undermodelled the platforms and radars are of planes that mount the mighty ER.
Even in full real controls they made it nearly impossible to stall / fall out of the air from pulling too hard. Literally flies on rails, it’s crazy. That and it is HEAVILY overperforming… even the F-5E outperforms the real life F-20 right now.
That’s not even a joke
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/lStMquCANeEE
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The 27ER is the most capable BVR missile in the game, and I’m allowed to comment on that fact. Sure the Standard 27R is worse ofc, in more aspects than just range, but I’d still take the thing over the current sparrow.
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I already do, but the fact they don’t have to is a different story.
They also have to as well
That’s not the point of this thread. Overperforming or not, is not relevant if the vehicle is balanced at its BR, 10.7 for the F-5E is fine when you compare it to other fighters in that range. If you nerf the FM the BR should decrease accordingly.
The point is that the R-27ER platforms have no competition, and even the early mig29 radars are good enough and hold locks quite well. Those radars don’t hold the missile effectiveness at all.
You always force your target to hug the ground and even then he is at risk of being shot down by the 27ER in a steep interception if your target is directly below you. You’ll have altitude and position advantage + high off bore r73 that should help a lot if you get into a dogfight. Unless he is flying a gripen and quick spamming flares to avoid r73 locks, but that’s not practical in AirRB when you fight multiple people
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the F-20 is a mid plane that gets completely shit on by any F-16, keep crying lmfao
Both are examples of there being no Russian bias.
AIM-7F/M caused R-27ER to be added, which is an equivalent missile.
R-27R/R-24R are Skyflash and Super 530D equivalent missiles.
And Pantsir is ITO-90M and TOR-M1 equivalent, which means Pantsir is equally useless against good CAS players.
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If there’s phoenixes yes, but usually only if there’s opposing R-27ERs. In any case, their missiles reach the target first and have greater range, you can sit as high as you need to in the flanker and fulcrums if you know where you’re enemies are at (and use the radar properly for that). They don’t need to stay low if they don’t want to.
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No, if the aircraft’s efficiency in matches changes… the BR should change. Nothing else determines this.
That isn’t accurate at all, and what is hilarious is that the F-5E in-game currently outperforms the real life F-20A. The F-5C received a-historical flares and chaff and a 9.7 BR range when it is ALSO already overperforming. Now how do they solve this issue?
R-27ER platforms in-game are not, and have not been the best performing vehicles in the game. Their efficiency at the time of introduction warranted the inclusion of the weapon. You know it is lethal, take steps to mitigate this like skimming.
In such a situation you likely are already being locked and fired on as well. There is little chance for you to dodge a head-on SARH from medium alt when they are skimming… even if your missile is faster it will just get destroyed by multipath.
The only option if you also remain high is to turn cold and chaff off SARH from people skimming. You must also skim. Both weapons are equally useless in the current meta. In fact, it is almost more useful to use the R-27R and not the ER because you can use the slower acceleration to your advantage in a dogfight. It gets to a head-on situation? ACM lock and fire the R-27R. Free kill. More reliable method than wasting R-27ER’s on skimmers from medium altitudes while you’re a sitting duck to SARH.
*Only if he is in an F-14 and not pressing the flare button at all - will the R-73 be as effective as the AIM-7M and AIM-9M combo. Currently the other SARH missiles are equally as effective as the R-27 series at BVR because simply put… they aren’t effective. You can kill people who are not aware of what they’re doing (premium noobs)… but that is practically it! Any intelligent player in top tier is not going to be dying to an R-27ER… they will be dying to AIM-9M or shoddy spot system where enemies appear less than 1 mile from you launching IR missiles.
Don’t worry, it is HEAVILY overperforming in the FM department as it currently sits. It will probably be drastically reduced in BR.
This is also true.
They can’t stay high. Period. You’ll simply die. You can know where they are at all you want, all I need to do is skim and point my radar up - launch a missile. You’re done.
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Strange I never lost a dogfight to any plane in my F-20A. Only died due to being too high altitude or not noticing a missile. Never lost even once on flight performance.
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