Or AIM-7s going dumb despite the radar maintaining lock
Or going for chaff vs a foe in clear sky above you
R-27ER dgaf and will hit you regardless
Its very very curious as to why its overmodeled as it is
This has been happening to me with the F-15 a lot since I unlocked it, but I can’t recall any egregious moments similar with the entire year I’ve had the F-4S that wasn’t just me screwing up or losing lock
I like how someone purposed a solution of:
“Because the Aim-7M is underperforming against the R-27ER, we should start giving early AAMRAAMs to compensate. However, they will also underperform against the R-27ER.”
That doesn’t really sound like it fixes the problem here.
I also saw someone say France should get MICAs and I do recall from another discussion a few people trying to make the case that the MICA is actually better than the 9X, but we can’t give the 9X to US because that would be too OP.
Like. What kind of logic circle is that? I have to sort of agree with the suggestion of removing the R-27ER for the time being. Or limit it to just two on the Su-27 and the Chinese equivalent. I don’t actually know if the Aim-7M is just a terrible SARH now or it has something to do with the radar. But getting curb stomped by like 24 of those missiles in game isn’t even close to the definition of balance.
Less range*
It’s not until the aim120 c5 that the west gets a comparable missile to the r27er in terms of range.
It’s still inferior in range but is a much harder misisle to defeat when you are in kinematic range.
Sad, unloved AIM-54 crying in the corner looking for looking for its 8 missing Gs, its missing 1 mach, and its younger brother’s smokeless motor:
D:
yeah its range is similar to the AIM 7s was what i meant. the R27ERs still have greater launch range but the AMRAAMs allow for defending earlier which puts it a bit more on even ground against the earlier launches the R27s can get
this missile not only clowns on any long range currently and to be added
it also clowns on anything short range including the british SRAAM, it’s ridiculous.
r27er’s selling features are the ability to relock, the ability to kill you three seconds after the enemy radar has been destroyed and the ability to completely ignore multipath. This latter feature is what completely inutilises the “just fly low bro” argument that russheads bark on repeat.
yeah it defo does, more than the phoenix itself lolge
It does not ignore multipath it still suffers from it so you are wrong here lmao
I believe the 7M (and other missiles) also recently got buffed in the regard that you can relock now. No IOG though so fins go into neutral when you’re not locking.
Multipath is definitely still there though
AIM-7F/M and R-27ER are effectively the same non-meta missiles that don’t do as much as the IR missile meta.
I am prty sure a lot of aim 7s got increased time to relock on target so it won’t insta explode
Did you use standard r27r on release if not please do not comment it was and still is worse than r24r in most of situations
Just fly low bro
it properly the iog as it will hit him if he doesn’t move
What do you mean?
i know im not explaining well but their is a way it can hit even if you very low to the ground but for that to happen is quite rare and the person would have not to move causing IOG to make it hit them
I know it’s possible if you fire it from a super high angle, like almost completely above the target, since the multi path “drags down” the guidance below the target, meaning that if it comes in from above the jet is in the way of the wrong guidance… But this goes for all Fox 1’s, I don’t see how IOG would ignore multi path… If the target is “not moving” as you say, then it’s either above or below multi path altitude…
if you fire the R27 when their is no multipath and then remove the lock as long as the enemy keeps flying the same way it will still hit even if he is at alt the will multipath which is why it would be quite rare to happen
This mostly can happen when flying over mountains
Ah, well yeah that would be extremely rare but you’re right. I’ve never experienced it myself though, dodged 100’s of them pretty much doing exactly that, flying low in a straight line
I don’t see how ‘flying over mountains’ have any relevancy though, that’s likely just a result of AGL constantly fluctuating.