F-4F ICE is as much a 12.0 aircraft as Mig-29SMT is.
Similar airframe performance, F-4 gets 2 more missiles, both get IRCCM and AARH missiles.
The way the SMT flies. I agree 100%
I challenge you to fight my MiG-29SMT in the F-4F we can ascertain how true that statement is
One is hilariously outmatched in all regards compared to the other…
I don’t know your skill level in 1v1s, and I’m mediocre by my own assessment.
I also lack the Mig-29SMT myself to participate in a swapping 1v1s.
Defyn’s videos on the subject are ultimately superior to what you and I can provide in data.
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I very seriously doubt Defyn claimed the F-4F is on par with the MiG-29SMT. If he did, he’d still be wrong and it would harm his credibility.
One could probably make the argument that the SMT is as useful as the F-4F in dogfights with some of the top competitors at their respective BRs but that wouldn’t make them equals.
Facts are facts.
The Mig-29SMT’s airframe performance isn’t as good as you seem to think.
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You weren’t discussing any facts, on paper and in practice the F-4F doesn’t stack up against it. There really isn’t a single category that it could.
Both have similar turn rates and TWRs…
The Mig-29SMT can pull more AOA for a slightly better shot, but that ruins it in the long run.
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The turn rate of the MiG-29SMT is significantly higher than the F-4F, what you’re claiming is verifiably false.
It can handle higher AoA and performs better at slow speed as well. The F-4F is not on par by any metric.
Last I tested it, it was a <0.5 meters per second difference sustained.
Less of a difference if both became slow.
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Under what parameters?
According to this data what you’ve said is again… Verifiably false.
That explains your conclusion… you gave the Mig-29SMT far less mass.
It’s neither minimum nor parity fuel in either category: AB time, or mass.
Granted, SMT you can’t get AB time at this dime since localhost doesn’t give fuel consumption.
You can run parity on mass though without math.
Parity on AB time can be technically calculated with 9.13’s fuel consumption, and that’ll leave SMT with a heavier fuel weight to F-4E/F.
My tests were on minimum fuel, which granted SMT a slight advantage due to having less fuel mass on minimum than the F-4.
If I ran parity fuel mass then I suspect they’d be even closer.
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Disparity is higher as you lower fuel, idk how you came to your conclusions but they’re wrong.
Even when F-4F is on 20 mins vs 30 for SMT there is a massive gap.
Remove R27ER/ET, Aim 7, Aim 57, Aim 9, Magic’s, yk what, just remove the jets too tbh
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The F-4 Phantom carriers more fuel than the Mig-29SMT.
The disparity is largest when they have the same dry-thrust time, which they don’t in your test since the RD-33 engine runs faster than the in-game timer.
F-4F on 20 minutes is 3749kg. Less than F-4E on 20 minutes, but still heavier than SMT…
Mig-29SMT is 3287kg.
1565kg vs 1304kg minimum, not as disparity in fuel weight as I thought.
2:25.
16.8 at 530kph F-4F.
18 at 530kph for SMT with 1565kg fuel. [there was a change since the last I tested, solid fair enough]
16.3 at 530kph for SMT with 2 minutes 25 seconds of AB time.
[Math is kept secret for holding advantage reasons. I know, I’m selfish sometimes.]
I can calculate for parity on SMT’s 30 minutes of fuel too.
16.2 degrees per second at 300 knots. 16.4 at 400 knots.
Of course in air RB, SMT’s limited to 12G like F-4F, and no one’s bringing 30 minutes of total fuel with Mig-29SMT cause they fear the fuel consumption.
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It was more of a joke…
Then again, the F4F early is the lightest phantom & is an excellent dogfighter. Damn I miss that thing.
Have you played it? Any F-4? No?
You just talk on the forum I forgot.
The thing is İCE model will be much heavier then Early version.
If both pilots have equal skill levels ICE will not stand a chance against SMT.
I was more joking like I said, but @AlvisWisla is correct & only people who actually played the jets will know. Like myself. played both
I miss the early though that thing is a dogfighter. I am playing again rn.
Well i played ever single Phantom model in this game and i can easily say in order to beat SMT you need to have higher skill level.
ICE will be nice addition but SMT is superior plane overall.
Depends how they model its Aim-120 & its radar. The SMT is not a good aircraft. That is why no one bought it really and few were produced.