I agree, that’s why I mention back I am totally cool with the current set up until Germany & Italy get full replacements aircraft at 12.0.
The F-4F ice is a 12.0 aircraft. British Harriers and Italians, plus US will get aim-120 as well. The lower active missile carriers are 12.0-12.3. This is where the J8F will sit too.
I think that is what GJ is waiting for these to revaluate the ER
We are going to have to get legitimate Mig-29 9-12As eventually for lower BRs at some point.
They can never drop BRs unless they remove the ER from these inappropriate models. The 9-12 of the Soviet Union cannot come to the game unless the ER is removed from itt. There is no point.
The ER is the missile holding them from lower BRs. The R73 is found lower BRs. Even the aim9M is found below 12.0.
The ER is holding the current 9-13 from lower BRs & it does not even have R73….
They can then can give us the actual 9-13S with ER comparability with R-77s at 12.3 too.
The SMT can hold 4 R-27ERs (its full capability does not end with the R77.) and we will get more modern variants of the mig29 after that too.
I very seriously doubt Defyn claimed the F-4F is on par with the MiG-29SMT. If he did, he’d still be wrong and it would harm his credibility.
One could probably make the argument that the SMT is as useful as the F-4F in dogfights with some of the top competitors at their respective BRs but that wouldn’t make them equals.
That explains your conclusion… you gave the Mig-29SMT far less mass.
It’s neither minimum nor parity fuel in either category: AB time, or mass.
Granted, SMT you can’t get AB time at this dime since localhost doesn’t give fuel consumption.
You can run parity on mass though without math.
Parity on AB time can be technically calculated with 9.13’s fuel consumption, and that’ll leave SMT with a heavier fuel weight to F-4E/F.
My tests were on minimum fuel, which granted SMT a slight advantage due to having less fuel mass on minimum than the F-4.
If I ran parity fuel mass then I suspect they’d be even closer.
The F-4 Phantom carriers more fuel than the Mig-29SMT.
The disparity is largest when they have the same dry-thrust time, which they don’t in your test since the RD-33 engine runs faster than the in-game timer.
F-4F on 20 minutes is 3749kg. Less than F-4E on 20 minutes, but still heavier than SMT…
Mig-29SMT is 3287kg.
1565kg vs 1304kg minimum, not as disparity in fuel weight as I thought.
2:25.
16.8 at 530kph F-4F.
18 at 530kph for SMT with 1565kg fuel. [there was a change since the last I tested, solid fair enough]
16.3 at 530kph for SMT with 2 minutes 25 seconds of AB time.
[Math is kept secret for holding advantage reasons. I know, I’m selfish sometimes.]
I can calculate for parity on SMT’s 30 minutes of fuel too.
16.2 degrees per second at 300 knots. 16.4 at 400 knots.
Of course in air RB, SMT’s limited to 12G like F-4F, and no one’s bringing 30 minutes of total fuel with Mig-29SMT cause they fear the fuel consumption.
