So soon?
There’d be no other time to add it.
R-77s come with AIM-120A/Bs, their equivalent.
R-77s are so far superior to R-27ER only fools would take R-27ER over R-77.
Range isn’t everything.
Gaijin couldn’t prevent adding AIM-7F/R-27ER because later American aircraft cannot fire AIM-7E-2.
careful not to make Mig unhappy. Joke aside, i neither agree with mig or with you in that regard. R27ER has advantages over R77 and the reverse is obviously true. I think they complete each other rather well.
Are you saying R27ER is equivalent to AIM7M and 530D (in game) ? Who do you think will read this and go “that makes sense” ?
530D isn’t AIM-7M or R-27ER equivalent.
530D is SuperTEMP, R-24R, R-27R, etc equivalent.
And yes, AIM-7F/M is R-27ER’s closest equivalent, it’s actually extremely close to R-27ER in BVR performance, and both are vastly superior to the 50km class SARHs.
Granted, all SARHs are useless cause War Thunder pilots learned what defeating SA radar missiles is.
ok so… Let me reiterate
Any pilot, DCS player, skilled War Thunder player, or anyone that has any ability to learn.
No, it’s not for example pulling from
| Missile | AIM-7F | R-24R | R-27R | R-27ER |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ΣΔV, m/sec | 950 | 735 | 720 | 1190 |
| Power-to-weight ratio, kg*p/kg | 84 | 63 | 62 | 94 |
| Guidance time, sec | 75 | 45 | 60 | 60 |
| Front aspect launch range (Vl=Vt=1M), km | 43 | 33 | 35 | 44 |
Now i don’t know if you can count; but a 15 second time to impact delta is a massive (practically insurmountable) advantage any way you slice it.
You won’t win here. You are correct, but your facts will be countered with random nonsense.
Thank god these lovely people can see better than i do. I sure need to get some glasses one day…
…because from that video i thought the ER had a massive speed, range and time to target advantage. I’m glad it’s just an illusion after all
Also, i’m happy to know that DCS = WT = reality. I thought those were 3, well defined, separate things
Time to target only matters for those not paying attention to their RWR.
Speed is irrelevant in BVR, and if you’re WVR you’re using superior IR missiles.
It means that they can happily sit on the missile taking no defensive maneuvers and letting the range decrease (allowing for the missile to have more energy for terminal maneuvers, thus a higher SSPk), at 680m/s (which adds up to 10.2km over said 15 seconds, assuming a maximum range Sparrow shot was taken), before they need to do anything.
And since its SARH guided, once illumination degrades; tracking stops. That puts the Sparrow equipt fighter on the defensive from the start, which further degrades the capabilities of the follow-on shots since it massively inflates the risk profile of allowing the range to close.
Speed gives the missile better range, and serves as a store of energy for defensive maneuvers if anything it is very important to conserve especially if you chose to close into the merge since it gives you options.
speed is very much relevent at BVR, it reduces the enemy’s reaction time, not to mention the maneuverability that goes with it. You also seem to have forgotten about the range part, but surely this is also irrelevent to BVR according to you
With all that being said, who’s to say i’m only talking about BVR ?
speed is the single factor that makes 530D better than 7m at close ranges, for instance
At this point, and with no intention of sounding aggressive, what do you bring to the conversation ? You don’t want to recognize the basics of SARH fighting
R-27ER is not fast enough to go 16km in 5 seconds.
Sorry that I know more about SARH fighting than you; It however isn’t my fault that I have over half a decade of experience doing it and learning from 20+ of the best BVR pilots.
Here, I underlined the SARH platforms I used for you.
@tripod2008
A good offense is a good defense. Going defensive against SARHs puts you in a more aggressive position for IR missiles.
Please explain how Cranking or going Cold helps you employ IR missiles? If anything its handing your opponent free angles that they can use to simplify maneuvers and puts the target outside the gimbal limits if done properly so precludes their use entirely.
Where are those random numbers coming from and who said them ? Cause i sure did not.
This is called “argument of authority”. The big problem of this one is when you try it against someone who isn’t affected by it
I’m not going to bother underlining SARH platforms, i’m sure you know them well, since you are an expert…
Next time please make a solid argument instead of going on the stats territory. The “stat measuring contest” usually leads nowhere except to unecessary bragging
You’re closing the distance to your opponent the entire time.
As you get closer there’s a delay from them giving up on radar missiles and switching to IR, you use that inherent delay no one can fix and from a now head-on position outplay them since you’ve also went with allies so you’re in a wolfpack.
Even if your wolfpack somehow died, you out-dogfight them due to their fluster.
@dedale_stargate
Then don’t challenge peoples’ knowledge when you didn’t put in the tiniest bit of effort to look for yourself.
Granted, you would have to assume I use my Soviet Mig-29 as a bomber for the lolz since that’s what I do.
Gee, I’m sure you could have conveyed that point in less pompous tone…
yeah no effort for sure, like bringing sources, such as the video above…
oh
and i don’t know why you feel the need to mention your “soviet mig29” since it wasn’t even in the list you shared.
You would’ve come across it if you checked yourself.
The chances of you figuring out I was using it as a bombing bus were slim.
Either way, all my SARH frags were against unaware targets.
Usually that’s how it goes for SARH frags for everyone.
Forcing people to climb is something very, very few people have done at all, let alone consistently.
it would be unfortunate if having one team forced down low against a team moving at every altitude they see fit could somehow cause a disadvantage to the one forced in the “multipath layer”, wouldn’t it ?
With high thrust aircraft, there’s no such thing as altitude advantage.
