Huh, interesting edit for someone who says the ER is only good for GRB and that the Pantsir is equal to the ITO 90. Now call me a skeptic but, having to use IRL Russian Disinformation tactics to seem superior is very ironic. Please continue to cope, and have a very unpleasant evening or morning.
You’re here defending the R-27ER and Pantsir, so it was rather obvious the moment you attacked me for me criticizing them.
Calling things OP is defending them.
Calling things trash is attacking them.
If you call The Beast OP, that’s complimenting/defending him.
If you insult him that’s attacking him.
Same applies to inanimate objects.
There’s a reason I die to R-27ERs inconsequentially.
I die to AIM-9Ms the most, R-73s 2nd only because so few Mirage pilots, Magic 2s 3rd, and AAM-3s not at all yet cause I haven’t faced Japan.
IR missiles are the only thing that threaten me in air RB.
Now either you have brain damage or you are trying to gaslight me here but, You are just fundamentally wrong. OP means Over Powered I shouldn’t have to explain lingo like that but again here we are. Over Powered is a synonym for Extremely Good. Trash is a synonym for extremely bad. Calling R-27ERs extremely bad is like actual brain rot. Like the most RU Main Cope. Calling them extremely good isn’t complimenting them it is stating a fact. They are literally the best SARH missile in the game, leagues above other nations and it should be nerfed.
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand and you know it. Knock it off.
No it doesn’t are you daft. Please go back to Third Grade English.
That again is a lie, unless you so infrequently play TTARB that would be the only way you don’t die to ERs as much as you claim. That would also explain your fundamental misunderstanding of TTARB and why the ER is very good.
Finally a half truth, you again lie about not facing Japan as it is common unless you barely play.
That is a skill issue, if you aren’t preflaring then you will die to IR at TTARB. Probably explains your admittance to dying to 9Ms frequently. Which probably means you aren’t very good.
Never once defended the Pantsir, first and foremost it shouldn’t have been even added the TOR and it isn’t attacking you I am criticizing you for being stupid.
Glad you discovered that OP means over-powered, AKA amazing, so amazing that it’s better than all the competition; This is COMPLIMENTING, aka defending the item called OP.
Also I call all SARHs mid to bad cause they’re not anywhere as good as IR missiles.
The fact your post implies NATO fans are “RU Main” is hilarious.
You can see my rank 8 stats in jets and see how much I’ve played air RB; Not dying to SARHs is the easiest thing in the game to do. It’s easier to die to AIM-9Js than it is to any SARH.
Japan is usually on my team when it appears, or the player never gets near me.
i wouldn’t bother
People… Do we want realism or do we want balance? I’m sorry but we can’t always have both. IRL air superiority is not fair.
As of right now USA/Western nations have by far the best flight models and CAS. RU/East has some of the best missiles, there’s Pro’s and con’s on both sides.
I personally think this game would be incredibly bland if everything was tuned to balance their counterparts, it would no longer be a simulator, you’d no longer be flying an F15 or Su27, you’d just be flying around stock/default flight models with skins of whatever nation you’re on, that’s no fun.
As of inaccuracies like some missiles or flight models over/underperforming, there’s people relentlessly reporting these things on the bug report page. They’re at least doing something useful, instead of coping about it on some forum thread…
what are you on about
russians have the best cas in the game and the best A2A weapons in the game
and the best anti air in the game
its both unrealistic and unbalanced
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I’d argue west have the best CAS capabilities, at least with quantity, also they actually have proper smart guided weapons below 11.3… As of right now I also believe the 9M is better than R73, this is another discussion though.
Well then you’re in luck! Prove you’re not talking out of your ass and provide sources that it’s ‘unrealistic’ into a bug report, Gaijin will look at it :)
I can assure you it’s far more productive than moaning about it on the forums.
r73 is many times better than 9m, r27er has no right to be in the game, in its current inflated stats its a counter to amraam which is yet to be added
you cant even notch this op ass missile because it has iog
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I play sim, 9M being actually invisible and having the better IRCCM (in my opinion) is huge. R73 of course has the thrust vectoring which is nice but it’s way too easy to flare. I understand if you prefer the 9M though, “many times better” is an exaggeration though.
You can still notch it… You just can’t go in a perfectly straight line at a constant speed after the notch if it’s close… Just divert a little and you’ll be fine.
@HighRiskNoReward
How about instead of having posts that push hate and twist the words of NATO fans, you provide constructive posts instead…
Just cause you imply the vast majority of the community are gaslighters just cause I agree with them and repeat their factual statements doesn’t mean you should say it out loud.
Seriously, you should just speak on a different language forum if you’re just going to accuse most of the English forum of nasty things.
in sim anything is almost certain death on top tier however on ARB r73 has the upper hand because 9m can be seen and flared from any distance, r73 when fired close or when it gets too close is impossible to dodge or flare, 9m irccm isnt even good its literally flare and turn and it wont hit
with r27er its much harder to notch and at the same time change direction and not get locked again
realism is fine by me, but you got to admit gaijin did a massive blunder by adding this missile so soon.
one little element some tend to forget is that this missile came online roughly at the same time as amraam (1990 for R27ER, 1991 for AIM-120A)
for reference, aim7m is 1982, legacy R27 is 1985, and 530D is 1987, and i think those 3 are quite well balanced between each other
R27ER could have come with early fox3s, to give a long range alternative, and a shorter range fox3 (r77).
TBH i don’t really think R27ER is going to stay an issue for long with the addition of more advanced missiles in june
like either of these missiles are “meta” when you can do silly manuevres with the plane and they stop tracking or you outturn them completely.
Fun fact both missiles were ready to use st same time except the r27er was meant to be used with newest jet of the time su27 so it was postponed untill it was released
obviously the missile themselves “existed” before.
But i’m comparing apple to apples : ie when each missile comes into service for each air force, on any airframe available
It was used on smaller scale before 1991 as well so the date that it was introduced in that year does not matter
And the first (successful) air launch of an AMRAAM was in 1987, the first attempt either late 85 or early 86; your point?
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if we are talking realism, date matters as much as the rest
now don’t get me wrong, i’m not in favor of a date based mm, for obvious reasons, but that missile was an abnormality that came late compared to other SARHs IRL
Gaijin could and should have refrained from adding it that early in their game, it would have made sense both in terms of balance and realism
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It didn’t came late tho it came at the same time base r27er became a thing