The Su57 has outer pylons and is used for R77s and even larger ordinance.
That still does not answer the question.
If the EA was so impressive (The R27 was never and actually a pretty terrible missile in all forms), why is it an obsolete missile not relevant in 5th generation fighters? The Su57 is more than capable of carrying it.
The Russians did not mass produce them because the missile series as a whole has always been inferior and is vastly obsolete.
Again cost to effectiveness.
It’s the same reason we never did further developments on AIM-54, and outright ended its service despite its range advantage over AIM-120C.
R-27EA is longer range, 35Gs, and faster as well.
This is a reminder that R-77 standard is already AIM-120A/B equivalent, and R-77-1 is AIM-120C [up to 5] equivalent. C6/7 stops seeing ground reflections while R-77s continue to do so until R-77M.
You are also forgetting that the R27 was completely compromised. There was absolutely nothing secret about the Mig29, Su27 and Mig31 radar to the Americans. They knew everything there is to know about these fighters’ radars before they were even put into service thanks to Adolf Tolkachev who provided the CIA everything there is to know about them for years.
Even everything on missiles such R-23, R-24, R-33, R-27, and S-300.
The Russians needed to completely wash their hands with the R27 series as fast as possible after Tolkachev was found out and went great lengths to do so.
It may have not just been cost alone, but simply the entire missile’s design, its variants and how to defeat them along with their guidance frequencies was already known to the Americans.
This is not totally correct. The Aim54 was without a doubt hyper effective, the cost was worth it, and the Navy did not want to retire the Tomcat at all.
It was the changing combat doctrine of the US that drove the F-14 and ultimately the Aim54 into retirement.
The Soviet Union dissolved. There was no longer a peer to peer adversary for the US. China had not yet emerged as the new principal threat.
The War on Terror shifted combat doctrine elsewhere to small unconventional operations with no real air to air contest.
There was no longer a need for aircraft such as the F-14 Tomcat and the Aim54, an Air superiority Mach 2 capable fleet defense fighter. It had little to no use in the War on Terror.
It has never even finished trials.
Because the EA never entered production, it’s a pretty big missile that can’t really fit in the Su-57’s bomb bay, and much more capable and advanced versions of the R-77 have been developed. The EA is only really better (and not by much) compared to the base R-77, which is comparable to the AIM-120B. Meanwhile, the Su-57 is equipped with the most modern R-77M which is (probably, info on either is hard to find) equivalent to the AIM-120D and Meteor.
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The Su57 has outer pylons for R77. If the R27EA was better, why was it not produced?
Why was it not produced for aircraft that certainly could have used them and benefited tactically from them? Such as the newer Flanker and Mig31s?
How would the R27EA cost more over designing and producing an entirely new missile, that is the R77? Because it’s simply inferior to the R77.
R-77 is older than the R-27EA, vastly older.
Ok, so why would it not go into service being that it’s built off an older design (cheaper to produce) and superior to the R77 as you claim?
Are we sure the EA never went into service btw? It even has upgraded variants of it if I am reading correctly.
Cause it costs far more than the 18 - 62% extra range over R-77 and R-77-1.
Especially when R-77-1s only cost 2018 ~$500,000 per unit.
R-27EA was more made to give legacy platforms a longer lifespan, and an alternative.
The venture failed, and Russian air force instead chose to end service for all aircraft that couldn’t fire R-77s.
I’m especially confused why it’s “C-6/7”, seeing as both were entirely different major modifications.
Cause I forget if I saw anything on C6.
All I know is C7 definitely has the filtering, and C5 doesn’t to the knowledge I’ve attained.
R-77 had far better ranged performance.
They did? It was used on base Su-35s and Su-37s for fire testing, and was interchangeable with any other R-27.
R-77s cost about 100k per missile. The R-27EA/EM would have been about 130k per.
Upgraded R-27s were already extremely expensive for the time. Having modern systems stuffed into them only worsened that, while the R-77 was being refined from the ground up with cost in mind.
Lower cost, worse ranged performance.
There was R-27EA and R-27EM. The EM’s only purpose was to be integrated with the Su-33’s avionics and was specifically meant for naval use.
The C6 is effectively a domestic C5, and if I remember correctly the C5 has a better motor while the C6 has both the motor and an improved detonation system.
multipath filtering ?
Mica has it for sure, i’d be surprised if no amraam being a B model or more didn’t have it, but idk
Later MICA does. First gen MICA lacks it.
there is only one generarion of mica.
Mica right now is still the good old one from the 1990’s / 2000’s, and it does have multipath filtering IRL
Then why isn’t she on the R-77?
i’m not in favour of removing it, i’m not in favour of reducing it’s G load. I’m in favour of making it have it’s real rocket power on the first stage instead of twice it’s real life amount plus the drag it should have due to it’s massive fins; that would give ample time to defend. Same thing for the r27et. The rest of SARH missiles are anemic.