i know im not explaining well but their is a way it can hit even if you very low to the ground but for that to happen is quite rare and the person would have not to move causing IOG to make it hit them
I know it’s possible if you fire it from a super high angle, like almost completely above the target, since the multi path “drags down” the guidance below the target, meaning that if it comes in from above the jet is in the way of the wrong guidance… But this goes for all Fox 1’s, I don’t see how IOG would ignore multi path… If the target is “not moving” as you say, then it’s either above or below multi path altitude…
if you fire the R27 when their is no multipath and then remove the lock as long as the enemy keeps flying the same way it will still hit even if he is at alt the will multipath which is why it would be quite rare to happen
This mostly can happen when flying over mountains
Ah, well yeah that would be extremely rare but you’re right. I’ve never experienced it myself though, dodged 100’s of them pretty much doing exactly that, flying low in a straight line
I don’t see how ‘flying over mountains’ have any relevancy though, that’s likely just a result of AGL constantly fluctuating.
as multipathing well change but its very rare for it to hit
Fluctuating AGL is why I mainly fly Afghanistan, Vietnam, Spain or Rocky Canyon in sim now due to the excessive multipathing. It’s not perfect but at least people have to be on their toes when being up against Fox 1’s, like they should. (good players will still get around it)
You should see how Denmark lobbies are played, everyone flying treetop with one side slinging invisible missiles at the other. The R27ER’s are basically just deforesting the map with the amount that are dragged into the ground…
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Just test it, fly someone low to the ground on flat terrain and measure the number of successful hits based on missile approach angle. You can use a water map so the ground level remains constant and test at various altitudes.
Yeah with flat ground it shouldn’t hit but maybe someone should check
(I have checked, I am just not that vested into this)… I wanted to see if I could kill people skimming with the R-27’s cuz that would be hilarious… you can’t…
The scenarios where you can are practically top-down and the radar/missile often just loses track. Seems like there is similar results regardless of missile or radar… and there are few cases when you want to be directly above someone in open air when they have missiles as well.
The R-27ER and the pantsir are the most blatant example of russian bias, considering how long they’ve been reigning over anything else by such a large margin
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I really don’t know how you can say there is Russian bias when stuff like the F-5E is HEAVILY overperforming solely because Gaijin is using Russian sources for modeling their FM.
The Russians didn’t even have thermal targeting pods until recently… they were suffering in that regard for quite some time. There are tons of other examples.
The best aircraft in the game certainly aren’t even Russian. I don’t even know if I’d place them in top 5 right now.
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engine exhaust on it is too cold for some reason as well
The damage model is insane, in spite of the fact that it is the lightest fighter jet with a radar afaik… empty weight of ~9,000 pounds or so. About the same weight as a loaded MiG-15…
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I think we all know that US mains brains would explode if there was an end to their handholding in Air RB.
US stuff top-selling in Ground and Air for each category, even the first and only rank 8 premium.
F-20A right now is so handheld.
Russian Bias this, Russian Bias that.
Just don’t look at how terrible and undermodelled the platforms and radars are of planes that mount the mighty ER.
Even in full real controls they made it nearly impossible to stall / fall out of the air from pulling too hard. Literally flies on rails, it’s crazy. That and it is HEAVILY overperforming… even the F-5E outperforms the real life F-20 right now.
That’s not even a joke
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/lStMquCANeEE
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The 27ER is the most capable BVR missile in the game, and I’m allowed to comment on that fact. Sure the Standard 27R is worse ofc, in more aspects than just range, but I’d still take the thing over the current sparrow.
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I already do, but the fact they don’t have to is a different story.
They also have to as well
That’s not the point of this thread. Overperforming or not, is not relevant if the vehicle is balanced at its BR, 10.7 for the F-5E is fine when you compare it to other fighters in that range. If you nerf the FM the BR should decrease accordingly.
The point is that the R-27ER platforms have no competition, and even the early mig29 radars are good enough and hold locks quite well. Those radars don’t hold the missile effectiveness at all.
You always force your target to hug the ground and even then he is at risk of being shot down by the 27ER in a steep interception if your target is directly below you. You’ll have altitude and position advantage + high off bore r73 that should help a lot if you get into a dogfight. Unless he is flying a gripen and quick spamming flares to avoid r73 locks, but that’s not practical in AirRB when you fight multiple people
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the F-20 is a mid plane that gets completely shit on by any F-16, keep crying lmfao