It’s no secret that “traction of control surface” is one of, if not the most broken aircraft module in Warthunder. It serves as no more than a random skilless 1-shot function, whilst being extremely buggy, and making WT less realistic at the same time.
I propose that Gajin simply remove it, and not have to deal with such a broken feature.
what
Traction of control surfaces
Are you trying to say that you want a modification removed that changes aircraft responsiveness?
What does it have to do with 1shot?
If you mean control cables/wires, if anything they’re a chance at skill expression to fly a plane with half your control surfaces broken and still rtb and land
If you hit a mechanical linkage or hydraulic line with a bullet large enough to detach limbs, your aircraft is obviously going to be unable to function.
The way it was implemented was lazy and it shouldn’t even be a feature as it is rn. There’s no redundancies modelled, multiple wires are combined into one, and they’re destroyed by far too little damage. They need to be completely removed and reworked. Although, with how broken they are, and with how lazy Gajin in known to be, just removed is a more likely solution.
I’d much rather not have a good challenge to flying removed. It makes for some fun puzzles for figuring out how to control attitude.
Did you know playing with your flaps can help you control nose height without elevators? Intentional forward slips and engine abuse can help on top.
What is lazy about it…?
It’s quite possibly one of the most detailed modules of any aircraft. Hell, here’s such on an F-15.
There are no redundancies for flight control systems. If your hydraulic booster takes even a fraction of shrapnel and manages to pop its packing… Tough luck. You lose hydraulic pressure and you no longer have an aircraft to fly, just a brick to aimlessly flop around in.
What “multiple wires”? Most harnesses (including spider harnesses) only range from about 1.5 - 2in in thickness, with MANY airborne calibers being as thick as the harness itself.
Too little damage…?
This is a 30mm HE round… It impacted the most exposed control component on an alright light and damge-prone fighter.
You have to be clinically insane to think that’s too much damage.
Do you have a legitimate reason for this, or is it more “it’s unbalanced”, “I don’t like it when bullets hit it”, and “it didn’t hit this exact wire so I should still retain full control of my stabs” babble?
Sure.
congrats, it’s a low-detail stick that will disable control to both rudders, and both elevators if any part of it is hit by a single piece of shrapnel.
Let me rephrase that for you. almost all modern fighters have redundancies in every system. A-10, F-35, etc can fly with manual control using the cables if the wires/hydraulics are damaged. In Warthunder, however, only the cables are modelled, as if all planes in Warthunder use the exact same control systems as they did during WW2.
A 30mm HE round will sever a tail or wing on 90% of aircraft irl.
You have to be clinically insane to think that’s too much damage.
Your demand to remove them will remove them from my WW2 aircraft where I very much enjoy having to play around a crippled plane. It gives me a sense of pride to still slot it in on the runway as it wobbles like insane.
Again I’ve just shown you a screenshot of 19 shrapnel pieces hitting a control surface.
If that isn’t blatant denial, I’m afraid you aren’t on any cognitive level to talk on a public forum.
Such as…? The last “modern” aircraft I can think of that has a redundancy feature would be the A-10C… And only the A-10C… It’s only capable of controlling its trim tabs in the case of hydraulic failure, making it about as effective as a BF4 A-10 that just took 40 damage.
As previously mentioned, the A-10 won’t fly… It will limp. Badly, at that.
As for the F-35… And the F-16, and F-22, or anything that uses a full FBW setup with a fully electronic tether to its control grip… There are no redundancies. I can tell you for a fact that the active series of grips do not have any mechanical linkage attaching it to the rest of the plane. There is nothing but electronic signals to control them, with a LOT of emphasis placed on hydraulic operation and EPU responsiveness and power.
Hell, here’s such for the F-35… Tell me what redundancy THIS has.
Even when you take it down to the F-15E, which has multiple “redundancy” features, nothing will allow it to control a surface that has a severed hydraulic line.
Do you think the cables would change at all in size or orientation? Do you think it’s magical teleportation of hydro or simply bluetooth?
If you want it to be far more realistic, they can add the breaker box to the F-16’s nacelle and make everything on the aircraft shut down, from fuel flow to total control loss. Believe me when I say that a small cube with nothing but mechanical fuses would be catastrophically fragile in WT, especially in comparison to the already quite durable flight controls.
No, it most definitely won’t. At the absolute most it would ruin a panel or gouge out a pretty sizeable chunk of metal. To think it’ll simply explode and fly away with total separation is juvenile.
Here’s an F-16 hit by a solid dozen 20mm rounds…
Little to none of this damage is caused by the 20mm, unless you mean to point out the damage under the cockpit just forward of the nacelle. The rest is caused by a highly flammable liquid carcinogen catching on fire… Another thing that isn’t modelled in WT on MANY vehicles.
And yes… This aircraft is a pretty stellar example of complete loss of hydraulic control due to depressurization of the system. It already needs 200 bar of pressure to function in a closed-loop system, and pushing through a hole of THIS size because of a 20mm burst is definitely going to render the empennage inoperable.
At the absolute very most, you can expect this from cannon fire.
Oh no, not my trim tab! (singular)
Between 23mm fire and a missile or two, this thing doesn’t seem to be missing a tail or a wing… At most it looks like it’s received a few cooling holes.
Oh no, the entire tail is missing!
There are no bugs related to this…
you infact did not show a photo of 19 shrapnel pieces hitting a control surface
Aswell as the A-10A and F-35, and plenty more but I believe I’ve made my point.
It will “limp” as badly as any WW2 aircraft. If the wires are cut, you still having cables to control the control surfaces.
Idk about the F-16 (it might be too unstable) however the F-35 can fly with cables, although with some difficulty.
That is a lie.
A cable is a physical piece of metal connection the yoke/pedals to the control surfaces. A wire is a physical piece of metal that carries signals from the yoke/pedals to the hydraulics.
Yes, 30mm HE will most definetly will sever an aircraft’s tail/wing
if the redundant systems were also modelled this wouldn’t be an issue
They’d needa fix one wire being responsible for both of the elevators and both rudders at the same time.
