That’s wrong as well. Those who think Historically accurate BRs should be a thing are something else. But BR’s fighting things it could never truly fight is also a big no.
An M50 ontos, a Type-60 SPRG, or an M56 scorpion are things it can handle engaging while it wasn’t designed to do so, it would have likely fought something very similar in the real world from its period. However, there are some vehicles from those eras of the 3 I provided as an example that should never engage in a game because it would be at a steep disadvantage.
Safe to say those who think historically accurate BRs, or BRs that make you fight things you truly could not kill in a WW2 tank should not exist.
WW2 should primarily be fighting things that it potentially could have fought in the said period if it had been produced in the said era.
You’re basically saying the same thing, though: that BR should be based on performance, not date. If a vehicle is from the future and much more capable, then of course a WW2 tank should not fight it, because there would be a performance difference. If a vehicle is from the future and it sucks next to its contemporaries, while WW2 is competitive against it, then sure.
I’m saying both need to be accounted for not one or the other. One more than the other in certain contexts that is. Anyway, you have a great, morning, afternoon and night I’m going to sleep.
Well, for example, where would you put a PT-76 in this system? Because I frankly struggle to imagine a Cold War BR in which it would be worth spawning it. I haven’t played it, but even at its current BR it looks quite terrible from an outside perspective.
Before I head to sleep, in the case of the PT-76, this is where you look more toward the vehicle’s performance and less about its design but in some cases such as the STB-1. It should have remained at 7.7. At 8.7 due to the lack of thermals and now it lost HEATFS shell, it has been struggling. However at 7.7, many could kill it without much of an issue but it could still provide a certain degree of a fight without struggling badly. As some vehicles did struggle to destroy it due to the limited protective armor it had. So you would need to move it to possibly 8.0
Anyway as I said imma pop so take care.
nerf it to 6.7-7.0
im not allowing that m51 can lolpen everything at br range
i cant accept that my is2 tank get one shot killed by a m51
It’s an IS-2. Even if you reverse it, the VK3002 at 5.0 can go through the turret cheek…
If not 44. LFP vulnerable, Driver hatch vulnerable, Cheeks vulnerable, cupola vulnerable, not so much difference what use to shoot.
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The M-51 is a strange tank. It hard counters armor, but everything hard counters it in every other aspect. Speed, gun handling, armor, post pen, reactionary mobility, everything.
The single thing it can do is blap you if you make a mistake, blunder into one in the open, and are counting on your armor to bail you out, which is absolutely not how you should be playing heavies. Meanwhile, if you’re on even footing with him, you should beat him in just about any tank you throw at it.
Contrary to what people seem to think, HEAT slingers like that actually need to aim rather carefully. Just because it can pen just about any armor it can see doesn’t mean a sloppy shot will kill or even disable most tanks it fights. Meanwhile, you can just point and click and APHE will do the rest.
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Volumetric aside. I take my time aiming well with the 128 because there are a few spots on the M-51 that will eat the shell. But that is a common issue with volumetric at all BRs.
So yes, agreed with you.
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The m51 isnt the issue.
The issue is a skill issue.
People had to grind US or British rank 5 to get acces to the m51, this means automatically all m51 players have at least a few hours in this game. And the ones whove decided to take on the daunting task of grinding a tree of just pattons are going to be pretty skilled.
But you and people who complain about the m51 are not as skilled as them so you get clapped while your rushing out in a field to cap.
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It can kill a T-90 side on, time to move it to 11.3
Just goes to show many little effort some people put into learning the game. No wonder people will have issues with tanks as easily countered as M-51.
Bushes are pretty strong ngl, they can completely hide the profile of a tank and in time the enemy figures out what the vehicle in question is, they are already dead, or they can assume what it is, fire the shot and potato it.
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At the end of the day it’s a sherman with a whole lotta bounce, I like the m51 it was and still is for me a learning curve, it’s no brawler (bounce lol) and its dies just like the the rest of them do. In my humble opinion.
That’s exactly what I was saying
Or you shoot them with MG’s.
I don’t know if I told you why I used the PUMA as an example, its because it’s at 3.3, and has enough pen to take down a 6.0, if that thing can do it, almost anything can, your taking it out of context, the Puma and M-50/51 are not comparable in any sense, that’s not what I was doing, rather trying to get something through your thick skull that it doesn’t have the armor, or mobility, to be moved to that BR, it also has no LRF and a shell arc rounder than your head, point being, shit don’t belong there.
Oh yes because it isn’t hard to take a couple of seconds to fire your MG, expose his weak spot, and if you die, someone else knocks him out and continues pushing. Think long term not short term. Or charge them and get killed. Then ran on the forums but to say that is going off topic. So I digress.
I love when enemy’s shoot rips off a rag from T26E5 mantlet, without it on distance you look almost like regular M26 and enemies doesn’t trying to aim properly.