It’s faster and has a higher velocity shell.
The M36B2 does the exact same thing as the M-51.
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Except M36B2 has less armor and some mobility
It doesn’t really. The M-51 is a Sherman with really bad mobility. Every gun at its BR cuts through it easily and almost any gun from 3.3 will do the same.
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If your defense of the M51 is “It has no armor / It´s armor is weak” I can´t take you seriously.
Sorry, but if you think that a tank with turret armor that bounces the shells of T-28/T-95s and Jagdpanzers like it´s nothing has “weak” armor I´d love to know what you think is strong armor.
What I hate most about it is the endless spamming, 5-6 guys on the other team who bring nothing but the M51, 3 times in a row.
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Skill issue.
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Imagine complaining about something with m4a1 76w protection
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Its the hull of a M4A1 sherman. The armor is suboptimal at its original BR of 3.3, randomly bouncing shells is just gaijin
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Me after seeing M51 is ‘no place for it in this game’ or ‘7.7 material’
Why was this discussion open until this day?
AFAIK, wasn’t M-51 a glass-cannon type of tank isn’t it?
Sending them to 7.7, which is 0.3BR different to Magach 3 seems overkill to me.
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It’s important not to confuse WT Physics / Servers / Volumetric jank with consistently useful armour. If M-51 is bouncing such things, then it is nothing more than blind luck on his part. Sort of like how Panther / Tiger turret front cheeks, or T-34 drivers hatches, or periscopes & optics have a propensity to magically eat rounds they have no business eating.
There is no two ways about this, M-51’s have very poor armour and mediocre to poor mobility for its BR. It is quite literally a 3.3 BR quality M4A1 Chassis after all.
The only strength this vehicle has going for it is raw pen. In every other way it’s mediocre or bad. Unlike US Sherman’s It’s unstabilized, it’s long barrel is incredibly bouncy, it’s HEAT has painfully inconsistent and often anemic post pen damage, and HEAT in general has its flaws in that it can’t be fired through walls / fences / bushes / trees / wrecks etc.
In a 1v1 against a 6.0 Tiger, in real terms, what advantages does M-51 actually have?. Sure he can largely lol-pen Tiger, but Tiger can also largely lol-pen him right back. Both have similarish mobility, and Tiger is far more likely to one shot thanks to its overpressure APHE being far more consistently damaging that M-51’s HEAT.
I can understand peoples grievance with the low BR go-kart HEAT slingers like T92 zooming around and clowning WW2 heavies, but M-51 is doing literally nothing to other 6.0’s than they can’t also do right back to him. Granted he’s more uptier proof than they are, because in uptier everyone’s armour becomes irrelevant and pen becomes everything, but at his own BR he’s nothing special. The opposite happens in downtiers where he actually becomes worse than his peers, as his armour is so bad to begin with it gains little to no value from fighting weaker guns.
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It being so long also means it’s easy for people to shoot it in urban environments even if they can’t see the rest of your tank.
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I find Tiger 1 is just better overall, better armor, better reverse speed, better gun depression, most importantly better post pen damage. M-51 however could pen things the Tiger 1 struggle to, like T26E5, T34 or Object 268, it doesn’t kill them but most hit will go through their armor without much issues even when you simply shoot them anywhere. They are just completely different vehicle that excels at different area.
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Bro, you’re trolling. You have to be trolling because if you’re not trolling you’re such an obvious liar it’s not even remotely funny. Even Jagdpanzers have no issue punching through the M-51’s turret.
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Skill issue for real
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Said the M51 player…
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Give us an example of a vehicle that has problems fighting M-51
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M-51 pen is redicoulus. It negates all ww2 armor arrays, its lame. 400mm pen is insane at this br.
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400mm of pen yet extremely unreliable post-pen compared to the nuke shell that is APHE.
Everything the M-51 sees from 5.0 to 7.0 can pen it as soon as they look at it, and so can the M-51 do so in turn.
HOWEVER, the M-51 depends on unreliable post-pen that gives no guarantee of an OHK whilst everything it faces can pretty much guarantee an OHK on their first shot against it.
It is a glass cannon. A glorified tank destroyer, and hand’s down one of the worst ones in the game for it’s BR. People who die to it are either stupid or just unlucky.
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it seems it is not only M-51’s problem.
there are some other tanks with 300+ pen HEAT or HEAT-FS.
They arent spammed like the M-51. I’m tired of M-51 hulldown campers who snipe from map edges, far away… and don’t even lose pen cause lol heat warhead 400mm pen.
lmao
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