Remove M51

Of course they are bad.

Pen is not everything, You will learn that eventually.

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M10 was meant to complement M4s, when they had only 75mm guns. Only later did the U.S. army realize they need more firepower and started refitting M4s with 76mm guns.

Great try avoiding my obvious point. Now why would the M10 need to complement the 75mm-armed M4 shermans…?

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Pen is not everything, that’s why T-44 (85mm) physically almost can’t kill a Maus, unless it uses APCR or catches the Maus flipped over and shoots it in the roof or the floor.

Conversely, if pen WAS everything, why wouldnt Mr. T-34 already be using APCR?

You can always pen his side with APCR ;)

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reminds me when i first started playing and only used whatever round had the highest pen. i then learned that the highest pen round is usually not the best round to use.

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Some need more time than others.

Like saying that HEAT is a good round.

Pen isn’t everything, but it’s a very important aspect, stop pretending like it’s as important as the number of machine guns you have in a tank.

Ykw, go play 8.0 with the M-51. Show me your stats for each game, lets see how you do.

Once You learn that pen is not everything, You will get much better.

What matters more with a heat round is whether is does anything upon penetration, which a lot of the time is fuck all

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Please, you already know you’re asking too much of him.

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It’s funny, I used to use APDS in the M60 and M60A1 over HEAT because of postpen damage lol

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Like the one guy that was unironically telling me that the pt76 is op because it gets heatfs.

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You are level 100 player with enough experience for do the same aswell. M-51 is your 5th most played tank with 400 battles a very high number compared with my 187 battles, so if anyone go to lower ranks to clubs noobs usally is not me. Thedifference is looks like you are a pretty bad player and sucks hard playing this undertired tank lol.

There is not nothing similar. This thing dont belong to 6.0. If people need a mediun tank shooting evey 7.5 seconds a 400mm pen HEAT for face things like Jumbos, KV-85 or Tiger 1 is becuase is a fukng incompetent.

Spz LGs crap plataform, realod speed and survivability but is 6.7 due his fire power. Again M-51 is just 6.0 becuase Gaijin need a idiotic easy to use tank for people start Israel and of course sell his premiun version. That thing is undertired and dont belong to 6.0.

Then why is the M10 at 3.3, hmm? Could it be because of horrid gun handling? The Ikv can be penned by 7.7 MGs, it needs decent gun handling to even get a shot off- and even then it has horrid velocity and bad postpen.

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This one is faster and at a lower BR, with the same armor and not as heavy. Why would I play the later version if I can play this? The APDS is the major difference between them.

The 38ts at 2.3 are A, .4 lower, a significant difference since they cant be sucked to 3.7, B, either are more mobile or have more armor, depending on the variant, and C, have ammo without tracers. Their APHE has more pen as well. The one reason the Lago is at 2.7 is because of that APDS round- without it it will have to go down significantly.

And as to your image, where does it say its a historical sim or has historical MM

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You mean the light tank with a good recoiless rifle, a secondary 20mm (With 50mm pen APCR), ATGs that are better then the 105mm heat the M51 has, a platform thats more mobile and much lower silhouette? That one?

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The M-51 is yet another expression of Gaijins hate of Germany, and it absolutely should go up. 8.0 or so.