Remove M51

Everything what you say is that you need skill, skill and skill. It is terrible argument (it is not argument at all). Maybe you have a skill issue with heavy tanks.

I rarely use planes, mostly when i revenge kill a CAStard using their own way.
You can also not get a 8+ K/D using only CAS? nor can you inflate it.

It’s not just CAS. It is a combination. However, planes definitely improve stats (and they can do it quite significantly). The fact that you don’t use them is just your claim, which you can’t confirm in any way.

First, it is not a 100mm HEAT. It has 100mm pen.

Yeah 100mm pen HEAT. That’s probably obvious to everyone what I meant by that.

HEAT can pen it’s upper plane, and if you know where to aim, you can take out the gunner and driver. Wait 5s, and finish it with the next shot.

Or another tank will finish you off in those 5 seconds. And the T-34 isn’t the only tank in the game. But probably a skill issue if you don’t know this.

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Btw the difference in efficiency in the P40 and in the M24 you have almost identical.

Yeah buddy. I know it is hard to imagine, but yes, you need skill to play basically any game.

Sure buddy sure.

My stats:

Your stats

Cope harder.

Yet it is a very good example to point out that HEAT shells have a use at this BR…

LOL. Cope harder.

It is. And it is a perfect example to show how effective is a light tank, that i perform better in it than in a broken tank.

Like I said if i am going out there with a big sign over my head saying here I am shoot me Im going out armored as opposed to not. Common sense.

GRB ,fast and sneaky , fast and lightarmoured.

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The M-51 is vehicle that I can unironically see as being a 5.3, if only because the gun handling, armor, and mobility are all terrible in comparison to its one redeeming quality: a high pen HEAT round that will either nuke a Tiger or sneeze on him depending on its mood. It handles worse than all the German cats and has worse armor.

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No relevant argument? Have they run out yet?

It is. And it is a perfect example to show how effective is a light tank, that i perform better in it than in a broken tank.

How it perform better? They perform almost exactly same for reason which I mentioned already. Stop lying.

When we are already in that statistics, why you wont give another example? (this is your statistics)

And what is this?


How is it possible that in most cases you have better stats in heavily armored tanks than in lightly armored ones?

Why, if you consider lightly armored tanks to be better than heavily armored ones, don’t you mainly play with them? I see from your statistics that you have the vast majority of games on heavily armored tanks.

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Why are you people going on about AB in an RB topic? AB talk is completely irrelevant.

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“Remove M-51” isn’t exactly a mode specific request.
But yes, the AB and RB bickering is quite sad to see.

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Machine guns

You’re right.

I’ve forgotten where I am.

You have NO idea what you are talking about

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Dumb and sad with low iq… yup. i agree.

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lol Brilliant.

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I’ve spaded M-51 and I can confirm that everyone saying it’s balanced at 6.0 is either delusional or has malicious intentions.

The 105mm gun from AMX-30 performs very well, post pen damage is not bad at all. You can one shot people and very reliably 2 shot people as well. It has similar performance to Leopard 1’s gun, which is a fantastic tank with a fantastic gun. The reload is very fast for a 105mm gun, it reloads just as fast as a Tiger.

The only thing that is “bad” is shell velocity of 800 m/s… which is a standard for WW2 tanks, Tiger E has 810m/s on PzGr. and 773m/s on Pzgr. 39. The fact that people consider such velocity bad speaks volumes. M48 has a much worse gun at 7.7 and does ok.

Mobility is perfectly fine, it’s very slow while stock, but spaded it’s very agile like all Shermans, you can feel it’s not a heavy vehicle. It reaches it’s top speed of 38kph pretty easily.

It’s incredibly strong while sniping hulldown. It has good gun depression and a very small turret. It’s a very small target while hulldown and it can bounce sometimes or absorb shells with it’s massive gun.

On top of that you can spawn with it 3 times, because it’s a reserve tank, 4 times if you use a backup, and up to 6 (six!) times if you have the premium one as well and use backups. The spam is incomparable, not even the Russians have as many of the same T-34s to spam out. They get at most T-34 1941, 1942 and STZ, mod. 1940 is already quite a bit worse than the rest.

It’s a disgusting tank that easily defeats the purpose of all armor on it’s BR. At 6.0 it:

  • ruins WW2 vibe
  • is not balanced/makes for a bad game design, where heavy armor is pointless and a dead weight
  • feels like cheating, one shoting a Tiger 2 through upper front plate (by killing 4/5 crew members, without ammorack, range doesn’t matter)

It should be at 8.0. I think even higher, but that’s more of a global issue. It’s definitely not better than a Leopard 1 for example, but both shouldn’t be able to meet an IS-3.

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Truly game breaking performance.

You probably didn’t run into enough Tiger 2s.

I agree it should be at a higher BR and considered a TD. Only problem is that most vehicles are simply going to be better, since it doesn’t have much going for it other than being able to pen some Soviet vehicles with thick armor and bad reaction times.

It just doesn’t really have a place in WT.

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As someone with experience in the Amx-30, i think it is quite bad. Apds is just better than Heat.

How? The Sherman platform is obsolete beyond 6.3, and it makes no sense that it is equivalent to a Leo-1/Amx-30 at their current BR.

  1. Not a reason to change its BR.
  2. I see no balance issues, it can very easily be killed by everything it meets.
  3. Heat doesn’t do that.

I could see it being 6.3, maybe 6.7, but I don’t think it would perform somewhat decently above that.

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I only spaded it and got a feel for it. When spading it, it was indeed shit. I don’t have to play god knows how many battles to decide if I feel comfortable with a tank or not, I have more than enough experience in ground RB in general to estimate.

Skill issue.

It should be at 8.0 not because it’s as good as a Leopard 1 or AMX-30, but because it’s capable of killing the same opponents as Leopard 1 and AMX-30.

Now I see there’s no point in arguing with you, if for you historical authenticity, which is used in marketing for this game btw, is not a factor for you at all. We will never agree.

Lmao. With that logic 2S25M can be at 2.7.

It does, skill issue I say.

@KillaKiwi
*When spading it, not while spaded, very important correction

Not a good look when you’re trying to convince your opposition of your claims.

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