The Maus wasn’t finished, meanwhile, the M-50, M-51, and Chilean M-60 whenever that comes to game were all used in active service.
The Panther II, Kuelian, Maus, and Tiger 10.5 did not.
3 of those were never finished, The Panther II was just a hull and was never completed because a designer realized that placing metal skirts negated the effects of the tank rifle’s penetration.
While the Kuelian wasn’t completed cause the war ended.
The Tiger 10.5 wasn’t built and left on blueprints for a ton of reasons, one main one is recoil and the gun being too heavy.
The Maus on the other hand was a turret and a hull of 2 different variants. While it did run under its power it wasn’t functional in terms of combat and for War Thunder did not fit any BR bracket. On the left side if it was 6.7 would have been too damn well armored including downtiers. On the other hand at 8.0 would have been killable, slow, and easy prey. Unless the other team was consisting of mostly Maus tanks then it was a pain in the ass to win.
You mean remove any vehicle that just killed you?
If the M51 is so utterly lethal why you just get one and simply enjoy ten kills per game every time?
.Had good games in the M51 and had bad.Its a glass cannon with a good gun and inconsistent ammo.It’s big and it’s slow.
WT is so full of vehicles that shouldn’t be meeting each other that all you can do is stop playing entirely.
Recently i played at 5.7-6.0, where a lot of players use the M-51. I played with germany 6.0 (Tigers and Panthers) and china 5.7 (T-34-85 and M36), and i had no issue dealing with those tanks.
As many have said, the M-51 is a glass cannon. The only thing it has in high pen.
Even if i was playing with a Panther, that has armor, and i semi rely on it, i had no issues.
You just look badly on that tank and it dies, it has no survivability, and no armor.
The only times i did not penetrate is was due to bad shots from my side, and those are totally my fault for not aiming (maybe aside from 1-2 shots that were due to the gun just not shooting where i aimed, but it was just that, 1-2 times out of a lot or so).
I didn’t even took it as a priority target except for a few rare cases.
Does it means that the M-51 is bad?
It depends on the player. A good player can have good games with it, but it is not something OP no brain tank.
Should it move up in BR?
Not at all. As i (and many more) have said, it has high pen, and that’s it.
There’s no way TO fight it when it one shots you in your strongest armor point at any range, or cripples you in one hit from spawn to spawn. It’s able to pen everything it faces, and I’ve even seen some people bring them out to 7.0+ and still get 3+ kills with them. There is really no need for something so busted to be in the game, especially not when most vehicles at the br have no way to counter it aside from possibly flanking it, and even then that’s unreliable because they could hear your engine from a mile away.
“No way to fight it” Man you make it sound like it’s impossible to kill, by that logic the Maus is impossible to kill cause it has tons upon tons of armor. Oh, wait, my APDS, HEATFS, bombs, and rockets will kill it.
In the words of Sergeant Major Avery Junior Johnson
It is a SHERMAN at 6.0
you can look at it and it will disintegrate, you just have a skill issue if you cant kill it.
the only thing it has is a gun.
it has no armor at that br and it is painfully slow.
Oneshots you? Yeah, maybe if it hits your ammo. Maybe. it is a HEAT shell, not even HEAT-FS. It’s damage is bad.
A german cat, or any medium/heavy tank will need more than 1 shots to be killed by that shell (unless ammo rack or a very, very, very lucky shot).
Yes, it is the definition of a “glass cannon”. As i said, the only thing it does well is high pen. All other aspects are just straight awful, or bad at best.
I have seen people get many kills with a GAZ AA at 11.0, so should we move it up there? (Clearly “RuSsIaN bIaS”)
See:
Just look at the swedish tech tree dude. Ikv 103 is at 4.0, and has a 400mm penning 105mm HEAT-FS, yet that thing is a piece of crap. When it came to the game it was at 7.3 or something, now it is at 4.0.
Why? BECAUSE PENETRATION IS ALMOST LITERALLY MEANS NOTHING!!!
High penetration alone is meaningless without also taking other things.
You want a few examples? Soure, here you go:
Germany:
–Sturer Emil: It not only has high pen, but it is APHE with 800g of TNT, and it has insane gun depression. It must be OP, right? Oh, wait, it is trash.
USSR:
–ZIS-30/SU-57B: high velocity 57mm APHE with awesome penetration, yet they are at 2.3/2.7. They must be OP! Oh wait, they have awful suspensions, they are sluggish, no armor, inaccurate gun, 57mm APHE loves to randomly bounce off angled plate.
–ISU-152: It has 250mm pen HEAT, yet nobody uses it for a good reason…
UK:
–Archer: 17pdr with fast reload at 2.7? Surely OP as hell! Oh wait, slow, paper, gun faces in the wrong direction, open top.
–Achilles: A better Archer. Why would you take it over an M10?
Charioteer: Almost 400mm pen APDS at 5.7? OP! Must be! Oh wait, it is early APDS, and a solidshot with no armor and no reverse speed with laughably small ammo count.
–Conqueror: OMG, better pen than the Leo 2A4 at only 7.7??? With good turret armor??? OP TANK!!! OP!!!. Ohhh, wait, it is one of the WORST tanks in the game. Armor is full of weak spots, and be overpressured by 100mm HE shells if they hit the turret front, it has a long reload with a small ready rack, and the APDS is just awful. Deals no damage, it is inaccurate, and shatters on every little crap on the armor (like a sorage box).
Japan:
–Chi-Ri: Autolading APHE with good pen? Surely OP! Except it is slow, paper, and bigger than an average soviet block house.
China:
–LVTA ZIS-2: A worse ZIS-30.
–PT-76: 200mm HEAT-FS, yet it is just awful.
Sweden:
–Sav m/43 (1946): 240mm HEAT at 3.0? OP it is. Oh, no, it is shit.
–Pvkv 4: 180mm pen APDS on a medium tank, OP! No it isn’t. Turret traverse is awful, has no armor, and low calibre APDS is just useless. The other shell is 57mm APHE with 80mm pen… Good luck with that at 3.7!
–Ikv103: I already talked about it.
This also applies to their reserve tier with 37mm APDS. Before they messed up APDS, i used to bring the Strv m/41 S-II up to 3.7, and it was awesome to just kill KV-1s with it. Now that APDS is useless even in reserve tier.
No way to counter an M-51? OMG dude…
You can kill it with a reserve tier tank from a km away…
But you know what will it usually see even in a full downtier?
T-34-85, Sherman 76, Panther, Tiger. These are the most common tanks, and guess what! They fart in the M-51’s general direction, and it dies.
You know, like this (i chose the weakest shell from those i mentioned):
Yeah, with the silent engines because Gaijin still can’t fix the sounds…
When i was playing the T-10M, i loved that it could just lolpen the turret with APHE and leave the Maus/E-100 on 2 crew.
But yeah, if this were to be true, we could do nothing agains a KV, Churchill, any IS tank, etc…
Anyway I had a Battle Pass challenge to kill 3 times using a medium tank.Easy,No problem or so I thought.I had been getting at least 3 kills a game playing Germany at a 6.0 in almost every game all day for the TOG challenge.
I jumped in to the M51 just for change and after 4 games in it I had no kills. Just shells exploding after hitting branches ,fences you name it.It made me realise what a huge fragile target it is.
I jumped back into my Panther at 6.0 and nailed the BP challenge in one game.
M51 is by no means better than 6.0 ,it might be if it was fast but it isn’t.
I actually think it’s amazing lmao. But yes, its limitations are reflected by the fact that it’s 4.3 even with that gun, because it sacrifices everything for firepower, like you said.
I get it, but i was not talking about it being amazing or not. I was talking about that it looks OP if you only look at the gun.
A tank can be amazing, but not OP (like a T-34 for example), and tanks can be OP, but horrible to play with (B1 ter).
When initially unlocked the M51 only has level 1 crew with no expert training against elite crews of other nations - Needs a very high personal skill requirement.
M51 is an odd place to start a tech tree.You only have respawns in one vehicle as well,so the M51 has to fit the early game ,mid game and end game.Bit of a tough ask in some ways especially if CAS is about.
Not nice in the uptier.
I mean it can be a tough tank to play due to Isreal being a new nation and starting at 6BR especially if there are aircraft about as early on you only have the M51 unless you bought other premiums.
So no way to select the right vehicle for the circumstances of the game ,it must be the M51 only until other vehicles are unlocked.Once other vehicles are unlocked M51 is thrown into a higher BR by using them(Mostly)
