“Cold war” is fiction.
Steel, chemistry, kinetics, etc is all that matters.
“Battle rating” is just as real as “cold war”.
Not sure why it’s such a debate. We all want an equal and fair playing ground.
When you insert tanks that can completely ignore armor that didn’t exist a few years ago… it’s a problem.
They dont ignore armor. It is because they rely on defeating the top hull armor rather than the standard side facing plates. A 152mm HE round wont kill a tiger 2 by hitting center mass.
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I think you underestimate the T54s and 55 tanks. Such a drastic change in br wouldn’t make sense. anyone, like you, should know that other tanks at that BR would be way better. Its still not a very fast tank and its gun is insanely wobbly, as it isn’t stabilized. So sure, it has a nice gun, but it literally sucks at EVERYTHING else. I would any day take a tiger over the M-51
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I got 10 kills in AB earlier with my 2S3M just to prove a point. I plastered multiple KTs, an IS-3, and a T26E5 by just shooting them on the turret face/roof. It’s an entirely point and click experience because you don’t have to worry about aiming for weak spots.
Trying to play 6.3-6.7 right now on AB is literally hell having to deal with constant M109s and M-51s around every corner. I try playing my Super Pershing and T26E5 and I can’t even peak any streets because I instantly get my gunner knocked out by an M-51 every single time.
It’s just not fun. In the lower BRs like 4.0 you don’t have to deal with any of this stuff because everyone’s on an equal playing field.
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Ah yes, a “gtfo” response.
If I was a dictator for a while and could change anything in the game, I would make it full historical with minimal consideration for balance, so without scenarios like Panzer 2 vs KV-1. They are technically historical, but actually not really when deciding tank’s BR, while also not being fun, balanced or sensible.
I actually made a sample here: Create a gap between ww2 and cold war vehicles and tech - #646 by Panter2005 with some exceptions like Tiger 2 105 or Panther 2, which are fictional, but already in the game.
Ramping up the production also matters, some tanks may have entered service at some point, but were produced in meaningful numbers some time later. Such ambiguous things can be bent a little for balance.
It will never happen though, so I want it to be as reasonable as possible. If compromises must be made, then for example most of Swedish vehicles can stay where they are, but should have their APDS shells removed. However things like IKV 103 can go up to 8.0 with 400mm of HEAT pen.
The problem is that right now there is no compromise, everything is for balance. No one cares one bit about historical accuracy.
Show me a video of your HE round hitting a tiger 2 or panther center mass and killing it. No roof or lower turret shots.
probably because this is not a historical game.
And yes, i will suggest you play historical games if you want historical battles. Same reason WoT players would tell me to play a different game if I went to their forum and demanded that they add playable cas and got rid of the HP boxes and circle rng aiming.
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Would you pick a Tiger 1 over M-51 at 8.0 though?
Ngl, i would still pick the tiger.
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Then you are a fool. Sounds like it’s a joke though.
Historical accuracy was used to get the game going by filling a niche and thrown away when the game got popular and it wasn’t needed anymore.
Historical accuracy was sacrificed to dumb down the game, making it more like the other games and attracting the huge casual audience.
Why?
You can’t be serious.
I am serious. I would take the tiger 1 over the m51 in a 8.0 match. Only time i would go for the m51 would be for fighting the soviet heavies.
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I think that the real damage should be given to all the bullets, and then rebalance the tanks, it cannot be that they face a Tiger 1 against an M51, but it cannot be that you hit a tank with a HEAT of 400mm penetration and you only kill one or two crew members, in fact I think that is why we have the Br as they are, due to the randomness of the damage of all non-APHE bullets.
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By having as little games as You do and stats like You, what You describe in this topic is simply not true.
I have played this vechicle much more and did better in it to know that HEAT are not as reliable.
The pen is good, nothing more really.
So all 75mm shermans should be at 5.7 as Jumbo is at 5.7 and is doing well?
Which in this game is not common and doesn’t guarantee success.
Jumbo 76 is much more better tank than M-51.
It really isn’t.
The gun itself is not much as at 8.0 vechicles are much more mobile, have more reliable ammo and have stabilization.
That are not taken into consideration when talking about any vechicle in WT.
lmao
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6.7 is where the real problems used to start now with the M51 and Russian and US artillery the problem has crept down to 6BR and as low as 5 BR with the tier system.
People try to say there is no WW2 but there is and there is an over lap where Cold war and WW2 meet,no denying it.
Some of these vehicles do stretch the balance issue out quite a bit.
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I was referring to the ZTS63.
I give up. Your only argument is that you’re a better player, even when I explained to you why this argument is worthless. It’s astonishing how little information actually gets through your skull. It’s the same thing over and over again.
What kind of backwards logic is that, it makes me believe you can’t think logically.
Lmao, of course, Jumbo 76 performs better against T-54s than M-51, simply because it has 13.2hp/t instead of 11.5, a stabilizer and APHE. Naturally 200mm pen@60 degrees 500 meters on M-51 vs 48mm of pen@60 degrees 500 meters on Jumbo 76 is an irrelevant detail.
No one cares when it hinders the whole German tech tree.
Should be.
For sniping it is.
My argument is that I have played this vechicle much more and that Your own words doesn’t match with Your performance.
It is the same logic as saying that gun of M-51 (HEAT round) can work at 8.0 so M-51 should be at 8.0
Jumbo 76 is better than M-51 at 6.3., I know it is hard to read but again try.
It doesn’t hinder anything. It can be frontally destroyed by Pz IV.
Of course not.
lmao x2
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