6.7 is where the real problems used to start now with the M51 and Russian and US artillery the problem has crept down to 6BR and as low as 5 BR with the tier system.
People try to say there is no WW2 but there is and there is an over lap where Cold war and WW2 meet,no denying it.
Some of these vehicles do stretch the balance issue out quite a bit.
I was referring to the ZTS63.
I give up. Your only argument is that you’re a better player, even when I explained to you why this argument is worthless. It’s astonishing how little information actually gets through your skull. It’s the same thing over and over again.
What kind of backwards logic is that, it makes me believe you can’t think logically.
Lmao, of course, Jumbo 76 performs better against T-54s than M-51, simply because it has 13.2hp/t instead of 11.5, a stabilizer and APHE. Naturally 200mm pen@60 degrees 500 meters on M-51 vs 48mm of pen@60 degrees 500 meters on Jumbo 76 is an irrelevant detail.
No one cares when it hinders the whole German tech tree.
Should be.
For sniping it is.
My argument is that I have played this vechicle much more and that Your own words doesn’t match with Your performance.
It is the same logic as saying that gun of M-51 (HEAT round) can work at 8.0 so M-51 should be at 8.0
Jumbo 76 is better than M-51 at 6.3., I know it is hard to read but again try.
It doesn’t hinder anything. It can be frontally destroyed by Pz IV.
Of course not.
lmao x2
please shut up and listen to what you are saying for a second, because you have no idea what you are saying
You would gut most of the swedish tree with this- Ikv would be basically useless at that BR due to horrid gun handling and an atrocious velocity. Removing APDS shells would make the '63 variant of the Pvkv M/43 completely useless. Stuff like the PT-76, Pvkv IV- hell, the Lago I isnt even good right now, and the APDS is its one saving grace.
APDS/HEAT-FS is not inherently powerful, and in many cases can straight up be worse then APHE. At , the BR the Ikv is at I would take a long '75, and even the shermans short '75 over it- its simply not good at that BR.
The Ikv can be killed by 7.7 MGs and has a horrendous shell velocity. The PT has a absolutely horrible HEAT-FS round, is pretty slow, and can be killed by .50cals.
Because it is a game, not a historical simulator.
" iT nEeDs To Be 8.o CuZ iT nO fAiR fOr MuH tiGoOoOr "
Utterly ridiculous. Everything within the M-51’s current BR range can pen it with little to no hassle. It’s a glass cannon with almost hand’s down the worst gun handling in the game, with a shell that is questionable at best due to how RNG the damage potential is.
Nah, that one goes to the Pvkv IV.
That’s why I said almost.
No lmao.
A better tank should perform better at a higher BR too.
Speaking of reading, I meant that small maps hinder the entire German tech tree too.
Of course yes.
No. It doesn’t need good gun handling, it’s a TD.
Lies. 75mm APHE with 150mm of pen is useless? Since when?
Pz 38s at 2.3 have similar guns, but without APDS, and no one complains they are useless.
Not this again bruh.
It’s a cast hull Sherman and slower than a King Tiger. It’s not even the only thing there with HEAT 400mm~ pen HEAT Shells.
The M36B2 is objectively better in every way other than armor and sits at 5.7. And seriously, you’re complaining about a 3.3 Sherman with a big gun at 6.0? Why don’t you just shoot the damn thing and shut up. It is your fault if they snipe you.
Oh look. The guy with 10K hours is seal clubbing 6.0 again and using that deceptive tactic to make people think he has a point when in reality he’s just bullying noobs. Other tanks at the same BR with similar armor and mobility have HEAT shells, why do you ignore them and only focus the M-51?
The picture you posted does nothing.
First circle: Nothing there says the mm is historical. just says that the vehicles are made using historical documents.
Second circle: again, nothing saying the mm is historical. only says that the maps are made to represent irl theaters. that just means “we have maps that are based on the topography of europe, north africa, and east asia”
ignoring what ever you meant on that one you have an arrow pointing at
third circle: says they have PvE that is historical. says nothing about PvP
fourth circle: immersion means that you feel apart of the action. immersion does not mean “this feels like a ww2 battle” unless they state that.
Other things should move up too.
Then comes @ULQ_LOVER saying his point stands because he is a better player. The double standards are insane.
It’s misleading advertisement, I don’t know why you defend it so much.
yeah, i never like the stat card argument. I try to avoid checking stat cards.
Where is it misleading?
You agree that the M51 should move up? Why?? How would that be fair?
Of course it is.
The 75mm gun can work on 5.7, then why have it on lower B.Rs.?
You know that different vechicles are for different playstyle thus not always they will give You the same results?
For me, Jumbo 76 is much better at 7.3 than M-51 on 7.0.
Topic is about M-51.
The game was never balanced this way, thus the argument is invalid.
You’re seriously suggesting a Tank Destroyer shouldn’t have a firepower advantage over a Heavy Tank? That’s literally the whole point of that vehicle type.
If you’re fighting with 10K hours in a BR full of new players (6.0), you’re not having a fair fight. I’ve aced at 8.7 in a Marder 3H. Does that mean the Marder 3H should be an 8.7? No. Performance from high skilled players should NOT decide what is and isn’t balanced.
Just because a vehicle is good in the hands of an experienced player, doesn’t mean it’s good to the average player. The M-51 is sluggish, as slow as 70-ton heavy tanks, has poor gun handling, and armor of a 3.3 tank. It’s a Tank Destroyer at heart and does that job decently. Any competent player will not die to a RARE M-51 player in the average engagement in game.
75mm M3 is good at 3.3 and bad at 5.7. AMX-30’s gun is very good at 6.0 and good at 8.0.
M4A1 is at 3.3 not because it has a fantastic gun, but it’s a bad platform. It’s the other way around, Jumbo 75 is at 5.7, because it’s a very good platform too strong for 3.3, even though the gun is bad at 5.7.
You only confirmed my point, where gun and platform are swapped.