I give up. Your only argument is that you’re a better player, even when I explained to you why this argument is worthless. It’s astonishing how little information actually gets through your skull. It’s the same thing over and over again.
What kind of backwards logic is that, it makes me believe you can’t think logically.
Lmao, of course, Jumbo 76 performs better against T-54s than M-51, simply because it has 13.2hp/t instead of 11.5, a stabilizer and APHE. Naturally 200mm pen@60 degrees 500 meters on M-51 vs 48mm of pen@60 degrees 500 meters on Jumbo 76 is an irrelevant detail.
No one cares when it hinders the whole German tech tree.
please shut up and listen to what you are saying for a second, because you have no idea what you are saying
You would gut most of the swedish tree with this- Ikv would be basically useless at that BR due to horrid gun handling and an atrocious velocity. Removing APDS shells would make the '63 variant of the Pvkv M/43 completely useless. Stuff like the PT-76, Pvkv IV- hell, the Lago I isnt even good right now, and the APDS is its one saving grace.
APDS/HEAT-FS is not inherently powerful, and in many cases can straight up be worse then APHE. At , the BR the Ikv is at I would take a long '75, and even the shermans short '75 over it- its simply not good at that BR.
The Ikv can be killed by 7.7 MGs and has a horrendous shell velocity. The PT has a absolutely horrible HEAT-FS round, is pretty slow, and can be killed by .50cals.
" iT nEeDs To Be 8.o CuZ iT nO fAiR fOr MuH tiGoOoOr "
Utterly ridiculous. Everything within the M-51’s current BR range can pen it with little to no hassle. It’s a glass cannon with almost hand’s down the worst gun handling in the game, with a shell that is questionable at best due to how RNG the damage potential is.
It’s a cast hull Sherman and slower than a King Tiger. It’s not even the only thing there with HEAT 400mm~ pen HEAT Shells.
The M36B2 is objectively better in every way other than armor and sits at 5.7. And seriously, you’re complaining about a 3.3 Sherman with a big gun at 6.0? Why don’t you just shoot the damn thing and shut up. It is your fault if they snipe you.
Oh look. The guy with 10K hours is seal clubbing 6.0 again and using that deceptive tactic to make people think he has a point when in reality he’s just bullying noobs. Other tanks at the same BR with similar armor and mobility have HEAT shells, why do you ignore them and only focus the M-51?
First circle: Nothing there says the mm is historical. just says that the vehicles are made using historical documents.
Second circle: again, nothing saying the mm is historical. only says that the maps are made to represent irl theaters. that just means “we have maps that are based on the topography of europe, north africa, and east asia”
ignoring what ever you meant on that one you have an arrow pointing at
third circle: says they have PvE that is historical. says nothing about PvP
fourth circle: immersion means that you feel apart of the action. immersion does not mean “this feels like a ww2 battle” unless they state that.
You’re seriously suggesting a Tank Destroyer shouldn’t have a firepower advantage over a Heavy Tank? That’s literally the whole point of that vehicle type.
If you’re fighting with 10K hours in a BR full of new players (6.0), you’re not having a fair fight. I’ve aced at 8.7 in a Marder 3H. Does that mean the Marder 3H should be an 8.7? No. Performance from high skilled players should NOT decide what is and isn’t balanced.
Just because a vehicle is good in the hands of an experienced player, doesn’t mean it’s good to the average player. The M-51 is sluggish, as slow as 70-ton heavy tanks, has poor gun handling, and armor of a 3.3 tank. It’s a Tank Destroyer at heart and does that job decently. Any competent player will not die to a RARE M-51 player in the average engagement in game.
75mm M3 is good at 3.3 and bad at 5.7. AMX-30’s gun is very good at 6.0 and good at 8.0.
M4A1 is at 3.3 not because it has a fantastic gun, but it’s a bad platform. It’s the other way around, Jumbo 75 is at 5.7, because it’s a very good platform too strong for 3.3, even though the gun is bad at 5.7.
You only confirmed my point, where gun and platform are swapped.
False. I have several nukes using the 75mm EBR in full uptiers to 6.3. It has an extremely high fire rate with tons of utility. Raw Penetration isn’t everything on a gun. Even for the slower Jumbo 75, the gun is still excellent at handling opponents if you can aim properly.
Standard HEAT shells are not good at 8.0. They might be workable, but HEAT-FS and APDS are better in most ways. The 105mm HEAT shells fired by the AMX-30 have little post penetration damage and reward good aim and punish those who don’t know tank internals by heart.
M4A1 is one of the best tanks at 3.3.
The 75mm Jumbo is at 5.7 because of its stupid thick armor and solid mobility. It is not the gun itself that makes a vehicle; it is all aspects. Stop trying to balance off of one piece of a vehicle. You cannot look at a gun alone in a vaccum and dictate if a vehicle is good or not.
Not sure why people assume that playing lower BRs = always facing noobs. There’s tons of clans and players with 70%+ efficiency and win rates that play at lower BRs.
A noob can straight up buy a 11.3 premium and jump straight into the high ranks as well.
