Where did I bring up “your quality”? Do show me a screenshot.
so now youre grasping at straws
You wanna mention how you’ve taken these comments out of order, and failed to fetch one of mine, that you strawmanned? Or nah?
grim.
See, this is why I like this place, you can be accused of something, and when you call people out on things, they will try to gaslight you that they never said anything along the lines of what they actually did.
Add SLAM would be better
there.
and how does the order affect the matter?
you called me out on something only you “saw”. I said “Don’t act like spikes can’t kill tanks” because that is a common theme people mention in every discussion about spikes that I have seen. but you take it personally; you think I accuse you of pushing a take that spikes can’t kill tanks. do not blame others for your mental disposition.
Neither of them brings up “your quality” as neither mentions how you’re performing as a player which is what “quality” entails 99.9% of the time. You’re grasping at straws while also having a hard time understanding definitions, work on that.
and how does the order affect the matter?
Possibly… because it misrepresents the order in which things have been said, like…
My original position, and your distorted and dumbed down version of my position that you also mocked.
you called me out on something only you “saw”. I said “Don’t act like spikes can’t kill tanks” because that is a common theme people mention in every discussion about spikes that I have seen. but you take it personally; you think I accuse you of pushing a take that spikes can’t kill tanks. do not blame others for your mental disposition.
What others say in other threads about the Spike, what it can and cannot do, is irrelevant when the argument/accusation is aimed at me and specifically at me, not at others, as there was no mention of “other threads”. I suggest that you drop the special pleading, it really ain’t helping your case more than simply saying “my bad G” would, especially since you’re still insisting on me ‘having issues’ cause I didn’t just shrug off your accusation, which is ironic now that I think about it seeing as you’ve been finding “ad hominems” directed at you at each and every turn.
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they bring up my quality, as they regard how I play.
yeah your original position should have been made in a more stable mood. firstly you do a 180 on my vulnerability quote, secondly you have your own definition of hiding. which is different from mine. in my original position:
bmp2m has to show its turret to guide its missile, while spike carriers do not have to show anything for a prolonged period of time, hence the requirement of vulnerability that bmp2m has. my only mistake was thinking your definition of hiding aligned with mine - which is to actually cover completely behind something protective. so like i said, communication issue.
you really cannot consider someone not accusing you. you reject that idea right away, you call it gaslighting and stay put. as for the other threads, I just told you why I told you not to complain about spikes having a hard time with tanks.
well how can I not try to help you? god, you were being toxic from the start lol. you sound like an angsty teen, and sorry, the reddit quips and formatting do not help (so naturally I want to help a fellow war thunder player to get out of that pit). I started the discussion pretty light heartily with the copium thing. shame you’re too busy getting emotional and such about all of this
anyway it seems like you concede with your last words, however cringe they may be, so goodnight!
lightheartedly*
Who is they.
yeah your original position should have been made in a more stable mood
This makes no sense. There is no point in calling me “emotional” just because you think I was, you have no basis for it other than what you perceive as “emotion”, this, by the way, can be considered a tu quoque…
in my original position:
bmp2m has to show its turret to guide its missile, while spike carriers do not have to show anything for a prolonged period of time, hence the requirement of vulnerability that bmp2m has. my only mistake was thinking your definition of hiding aligned with mine - which is to actually cover completely behind something protective. so like i said, communication issue.
This is the first time you’ve explained your position in more depth than just (disclaimer: this representation will be the way it will be for comedic purposes); “lol its just invulnerable okay”.
This “communication issue” has been only on your part, as you’ve failed time and time again to explain yourself, instead, you defaulted to insulting me, to misrepresentating my words, and at times, taking things out of order and out of context just so you could create your own narrative and act like a victim. I hate to say this, but this is a very childish thing to do.
you really cannot consider someone not accusing you. you reject that idea right away, you call it gaslighting and stay put.
Why would I not reject it when it is what it is? You having a difficult time with understanding that doesn’t make it untrue.
the reddit quips and formatting do not help
What. You must be the only one here attending to reddit I guess.
Cringe.
And hope it doesn’t re-lock
Well this is the most sane argument i ever seen remove the thing that already terrible like spike? lol.
I say just replace them with the kh29d’s its the IR version of the KH29s
Shoot the missile.
Inapplicable to IR if they’re close enough.
That’s Kh-29TD, not Kh-29D, and it’s already present on the Su-27SM, MiG-29SMT 9-19, and… The Su-34 (lol)
Both the Kh-29TD and Kh-29TE are TV guided in-game, and hilariously enough the Kh-29TE is present on the Su-25SM3 and Su-25TM when it’s an export-oriented ATGM.
gold
Thread summed up:
I don’t want to play Jets (CAP), so please remove content from the game that periodically annoys me.
You are right those two are in game, but the KH29D is not. The two in game are TV guided where as the “D” variant had a IR seeker on it.
Simple, Gajin nerfed the missiles to the ground. I dodged a Spike-Missile while being stationary.
Actually I not understand what the problems here, IDK am I too suck or what but I really doesn’t got killed but those missile, and as a Japan main those missile can’t even lock Ka-50 that within 3km so I also don’t understand what problems with the 15km firing range 😅😅
The issue is that 1-2 Pantsirs can provide fairly decent protection against any A2G weapon that the other 9/10 nation possess. A Pantsir only costs 70? SP.
The Soviets rarely have to worry about fighting a Pantsir and there is no hope for any other SPAA in-game to put up much more than a fleeting defence against a Su-25SM3 let alone Su-34 firing KH-38s. (Granted, those same SPAA struggle to put up much of a defence against any other AGM slinger in game as well)
The fact that the Soviets have one of the only usable SPAA in game and have the best AGM in game is deeply frustrating. Especially given the circumstances in which the Su-34 with 6x KH-38s were added (looking at the Brimstone nerf justifications)
CAP is an ideal counter, but effective CAP for that BR requires something with ARH, like the F-16, F-15, Typhoon, Rafale, etc and that puts the cost up to more like 700 SP. Which quite often puts CAP out of reach of most players purely down to the SP cost (Really shouldnt be much more than 300-400 SP at top tier to spawn in a CAP aircraft)
Also, CAP is often reactive due to the cost. Usually a Su-34 or similar can do at least 1 sortie (which could be 6+ kills) before any CAP is spawned to deal with it. Just circling the battlefield in a CAP aircraft waiting for something to maybe spawn is totally unrewarded)
Finally, you do have the issue of people who havent grinded the Air tree and so dont have access to any top tier fighters, except maybe a Premium or SQV, but those are rarely able to go toe to toe with something like a Su-34 slinging R-77s
well our doctrines split we have spaa they can add its just the russian planes cant cope hard enough to deal with it cough cough patriot system cough cough