Not really.
The problem is that many SPAA vehicles basically all the WW2 ones, were designed to be operated in a squad of 10-20 units. Achieving accuracy by volume of fire. The problem is that in war thunder we don’t have this. This is why we get “interesting” SPAA-s such as the Falcon on the ZSU-57-2 or even the OTOMATIC, which are horrendously shit when it comes to shooting down planes but are absolute beast when it comes to killing tanks.
This begs the question; how do you actually balance these vehicles that are clearly meant to be operated in a squad to be effective against air targets but have the capability to fight against tanks as well. I think there is no good answer for this. The best method is the one that is already in place now. Which is to limit the amount of anti-tank ammo that they can carry. You can’t just change the br, since the vehicle itself is the problem. At the same time completely removing the anti-tank ammo from them would force these vehicles to only engage planes, but we already established that they are not verry effective at doing that as a single unit.
yes I LITERALLY JUST SAID that the Gepard/Gepard clones and PZG09 should be 9.0
You aren’t very good at the game are you? Not trying to be rude but you seem like a avid CAS player that doesn’t know how to play CAS. You’re opinion that the A4E is bad tells me you have no idea how to play it. Literally any spaa from 8.0 is unable to deal with a somewhat intelligent AGM62 player whoch is why we have missile SPAA. M247 by your logic sho I ld be 10.3 where it fights jets able to engage from 8km away where it can’t fight to defend itself against CAS.
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Why are you trying to say A-4E is bad? It’s not a bad plane, it’s just completely void of a proper lineup.
A4E is great and the 9.0 tanks on the US can very easily play at 9.3 like i do a lot, i never said it was bad, you can look at my stats idc, i enjoy the A4E and the XM803, only thing id like is a light tank at 9.0 with a main cannon since im bad with the 8.3 Bradley at 9.3, LAV 105 pls snail probably gonna be 9.7+ though
Rarely do i meet missile SPAA since most of my matches im sitting outside their lock range. Though i will die if i dont catch the missile with flares early which is on me.
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Or a TOW Humvee. I’m still dissapointed that WT has no Humvees or Jeeps.
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More Humvees would be very cool i want some cool light tanks for the 8.x-10.x on the US
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But makes sense, since the Gepard carried 40 APDS rounds.
On vehicles like the Falcon, which only has one continues belt, it makes no sense.
It’s an AA vehicle so it would use ammunition against air targets.
At best it would fire 25-50% AP rounds mixed in with the high explosive shells.
Same deal with the Kugelblitz.
Mixing APCR together on a 1:2 ratio with HE makes even less sense then the vehicle even carrying APCR.
The only way to justify them having APCR/APDS is to say because they could. Which then makes the realistic Gepard implementation pointless, since it might just carry only APDS as well.
Like in some scenario where the only stock of ammo available is APDS.
I 100% support this.
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I can do more damage in an M42 then an M4A2, especially late game. I may intentionally choose the M42 late game because it can do significantly more damage then the M4A2 would.
I have received several (3) nukes just by playing Italian SPAAG. The Leo 70/40, R3 T20, and ZSU-57 are a hell of a nasty lineup and are insane for killing tanks.
These vehicles are incredibly strong in a TD role. They are at most decent in an AA role (I enjoy it, but it has taken significant practice to get to a state of comfort with aiming them). I’m not against AP- I just wish there was a bit better way to balance them (there isn’t). Just my two cents though.
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US bias caught on camera.
People don’t want to believe that the US is amazing and adjusting their playstyle and would rather play how they want to and cry about their vehicle. I hated the XM803 and abrams before i changed to a more aggressive flank playstyle and now i love them. Fast tonks are my favorite kind because i can play way more aggressively and then scurry away when i sense danger with my fast reverse.
Not only that, they have the best SPAAG in M247 to guard them.
XM803 is great, it’s one of my most played US tanks.
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Personally, I do not get enough APDS for the Gepards, and I will be voting NO on this, and opting for enabling the entire capacity for APDS rounds.
I didn’t care for it before but i started using its suspension and mobility and came to love it, though the XM803 50 cal traverse is sad lol
Entire belt of apds would be bad, i think 40 is enough personally, never stopped me from playing the type 87 as a TD since its a worse hull than the gepard. Positioning is key and patience
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How so?
Then give LAV-AD M919 rounds
Slow fire rate, constant reload effectively kills any chance of hitting at distance compared to my ZSU-37-2. If the Veak had a full belt and didn’t have to constantly reload with its poor velocity id say it might actually be useful. The ZSU-37-2 is better in every way except pen but it doesn’t matter as both my ZSU-37-2 and Veak engage the same ground targets but since theres essentially no 7.7 lineup it gets played at 8.0 if gaijin would actually add the rounds they accepted years ago for the Veak whoch would give it a lot better velocity it might actually be worth using.