Only if M53/59 also loses HVAP
Yes, it should be 8.3.
The British removed HE filler from the M61s they received, if that’s what you mean.
your opinion regarding spaas doesnt matter at all, if it goes for you the standard gepard would be 10.0
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Why?
Im from ur cousinland lol, sweden as most of us know who have interacted with me ofc lol
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It’s facing WW2 prop planes whilst having very powerful search and lead radar and guns.
by that logic the 2s6 would go lower since its missile can’t even pen anything other than rarely overpressure
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WW2 prop planes at 8.0?
Uh, have you actually played it? Its got horrible dispersion and accuracy, and it can’t engage things more than 3km out because the radar won’t show a lead solution at all. The only thing going for it is its fire rate…
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→ downtiers ←
They exist, trust me bro.
Now this 40 rounds might be reloaded.
Right, and you have just as much of a chance as seeing the M163, Chieftain Marksman and ZA35, Gepard/Type 87/PGZ09 and Veak-40 in a downtier too. All of them, except the M163, are superior to the ZSU-23-4…
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ZA-35, PGZ09, and the Gepard clones should be 9.0 anyways. idk much about Veak 40, but everyone says it sucks.
WDYM, we had both.
Gaijin just chooses to [bully the British] as always.
If Gaijin really wanted to push the ‘Brit chaps never used M61 APCBC with filler’,
then they should’ve also removed M61 APCBC(US) from Sherman III and Churchill NA75.
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In that case, those SPAA are the problem, yes? Not the poor ZSU-23-4…
PGZ09 is a better AA than Gepard due to having AHEAD but a pretty mediocre AT as the ammo weren’t effective and having no gun depression at all, hence its in the same br as Gepards, it’s AT sucks in comparison. ZA-35 also has one weakness, it cannot lock air target in third person while every one else’s you mention can do it, it change the game completely when you have to manually point at the target to lock it, when CAS closing in you will have to shoot it without the lead which makes it less effective.
Some SPAAs are really nasty. Also at low BRs. There are SPAAs with 80 - 100mm penetration vs. WW2 vehicles.
Like the Czech flakbus, the Italian Leopard SPAA, the french DCA at just 5.0 with 94mm pen (insanity), russian trucks and SPAA tanks at very low BRs have around 80mm pen, US Vietnam era SPAAs with 72mm pen around just 4.0.
I see them wrecking havoc every single match. Every match there are some players abusing their ground killing capabilities. One or double barreled autocannon vehicles with 70-100mm penetration shouldn’t play vs. early or mid WW2 tanks. Especially on all those small CQC maps. They’re too good close range.
People spawn these SPAAs over tanks for a reason. Moving through narrow maps at full speed and third person mouse aim is just easymode with these autocannons + high pen ammo.
Removing high pen belts at least for these should be done immeadetly. Like DCA40 @ 4.0 with over 90mm pen. They kill medium tanks around their BR frontally with autocannons, even some heavy tanks. Its insane.
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no? ADATS and 2S6 got the same AA capability but ADATS is higher solely because the missile got 900mm of pen
ZSU-23 belongs at 8.3
Sure, only if the Gepard and others go up in BR too!
Veak 40 is a bad spaa