Removal of Japanese Ho-Ri SPGs from the Research Tree and Sale

Though wouldn’t Amagi (as represented) then fly in the face of that? According to the devs, responding to reports that she was modeled incorrectly, they stated that the ship is modeled according to the 1919 drawings. Now the 1919 drawings are well known to only be preliminary drawings and not representative of the ship that was actually laid down. So if it’s the case that the devs intend to go for laid down ships, is there a chance that she’ll be remodeled in the future?

With regard to that actually, Andrew Hills (author of the Tanks of TOG) has mentioned a couple times that the vehicle that’s modeled in-game is in effect the TOG II* as preserved. Yet the Devs, in replies to a bunch of reports on the subject, have stated that the tank in-game is a different tank entirely. So just out of curiosity here, what variant do we actually have in-game?

Would you at all be able to share the sources on that? Just curious, since I know Hillary Doyle has rejected the claim based on his research into the archives and papers from Ostbau-Sagan.

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By the way, What do the Japan client / player-base think of the removal of 2 more of their domestic tech?

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It’s an interesting question, the Yak-141 is in game and armed despite never reciving it’s planned weapons systems/radar etc. So why is the R2Y2 not allowed because the USA dropped a bomb on it before the planned and built engines where bolted on? Or the Panther 2 because Germany was defeated before it had its turret attached.
And what about the prototypes that where build, but proved to be completely disastrous? Should they be allowed in game because they where completed, even though that completion just proved they would never actually function?

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It’s pretty ironic that sub-trees were supposed to plug the empty gaps in tech trees, but Israel still doesn’t even have a single Rank IX vehicle

As we’ve already mentioned, Israel is planned to receive one of its own.

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So when is KH38MT being removed for the same reasons… only proof we have of its existence is brochure that now no longer exists (it was removed several months ago) still no combat footage, still not data on the missile, just nothing and you know this thing has plagued GRB since its introduction. maybe start applying your bias rules to every part of the game so its not so “bias”

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Real panther 2 should be allowed but I think you’re referring to the fake panther 2 which is an amalgamation of 3 entirely separate panther projects.

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2 of its own even if I disagree with the Cyprus addition

Rafale or F15IA or F16V soon(Hopefully)

yes, of course, but it should be changed to the real version for everybody, there should not be an “elite” group that gets fictional tank because they played earlier then others.
Same with the R2Y2, the V1 should be changed to be unarmed aside from it’s bomb/torpedo and possibly use the TR30 engines, for everybody.
The V2 and V3 should just be deleted from the game files as they are fictional and not even a line drawing exists of them (although Japan did do a very good job of destroying it’s R&D records before their surrender).

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Alright now when is M6A2E1 getting it’s frontal armor nerfed to historical standards?
Also please remove the BR-367 from stabilized t-34. This is ahistorical since it never had that, it’s a post-war round.
When are we getting semi historical MM back? It’s not historical for Germany and USSR to fight together.
When are modern maps going to get removed from rotation? Those aren’t historically accurate.
Soyuz is a made up vehicle. Is it that arbitrary rules you set up and break yourself have to be broken for the sake of this one nation to get a top tier naval option? (coincidentally most broken ship)

This company only does selective realism when it fits into their personal biases. The existence of the ho-ri does not harm the game. The only controversy about realism is a false point, when this game is anything but.

They would only do it if was USSR. The track link is not enough for the O-I either. The Maus is fine, but think of those working hours that could rather be spent on adding more things like a 2000s Somalian car to 6.0 for Italy. Or even more post war slop for Japan.

The devs hate people who like ww2 ranks, they just don’t wanna admit it. It doesn’t bring in the money, and is merely a stop gap to play the unbalanced mess that is top tier, which people pay money for because the tanks look cool in the hangar I guess.
Every time the lower rank players get frustrated, they have an emergency button and release one of the vehicles that has been in the backlog for a decade like the Hummel and then repeat the process.

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To be fair the Maus had one fully completed vehicle that was deployed into battle in defense of Berlin… but broke down on the way and was destroyed by the crew… kindda a theme for German tanks…

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From the R2Y2 removal last year: “In War Thunder, we want to include vehicles that were complete and built; either in full, in the prototype phase or in the experimental phase”.

From 2019 announcement about the German vehicle removals: “We have previously mentioned our plans to hide vehicles that were never fully materialized in real life as a complete vehicle, prototype or test vehicle.”

There have been many restatements, using identical language, over the years on the forums. You can say it’s a bad rule or it’s inconsistently applied (I would agree with the latter) but it has been restated so many, many times it’s fair to say it’s a policy.

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Say that to Poland

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Wanna guess where Germany developed its tanks and tank tactics prior to WW2?

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Ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?

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You also have the chinese t-34 and obj 211 which are completely fake as far as I know. Surprising no one throwing a fit about those when there’s a perfectly fine ROC alternative.
Also tanks that are controlled by anime girls are not realistic. This was just done to sell another set of the same premiums we already have.
M1KVT is also fake.

Instead of allowing plausible vehicles into the game, that would be unique, they’d just dilute it with more M44s or trainer jets or whatever. The choice to remove these in the first place has probably been more controversial than the controversy of not adding fake vehicles.

Even still you get my point. The match maker is a mess for the sake of que times.

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I think the Chinese T-34s are either the wrong model or they were bought/donated but never delivered

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Not by name, but when I searched it up, yes I do know of it.

Yeah, Gaijin’s E-100 is define fake. Needs a new model.

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