Relikt Armor Buff

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

@Lolman345

And Russian gun depression only comes into play when you are trying to hull down on hills

Which are a necessity.

@Lolman345

with most hills still allowing such.

No.

@Lolman345

I’m sure .4 seconds is a massive tradeoff for gaining almost 25mm of 60 degree angled penetration

42-2 was a nice addition, it is the better shell to use.

@Lolman345

3BM42-2 is superior to M900 at most ranges and angles by about 15mm, if you wish to quantify that they are tangentially similar then you would also consider functionally every entry level turbodart to be such.

Rather small difference.

@Lolman345

A interesting claim as I believe a good number of people hold onto the notion that L7 smoke rounds are quite useful, a very different measure to how those in this thread seem to think of the BVM’s GLATM.

I have never seen someone on the forums praise smoke shells, when in reality they can be super nice. Just like how ATGM can be nice in some scenarios.

@Lolman345

And? Such does not change the performance of the vehicles.

You can’t judge a vehicle just by looking at them like that, not with your inexperience in top tier vehicles.

@Lolman345

Incorrect, the Merkava 4M has a PWTR of 22.9 HP/T while the T-90M Arena is 22.2 HP/T, .7 HP/T is not even remotely close to enough to have a tangible performance gap.

Merkava in testing is 2+s faster to 60 km/h, and has a faster top speed. But you wouldn’t know this.

@Lolman345

So beyond having +20 degrees elevation that we have already established as being of dubious usability, at least better on the Merkava 4M as it has TF rounds, you are aware that the maximum depression is -7 on the 4M, are you telling me that only 2 degrees of gun depression is somehow enough to tangibly make the 4M better at hill work? I vehemently disagree.

Yes, it does make it quite a bit better. But you wouldn’t know this as you haven’t played them.

@Lolman345

Once again I would love for you to quantify what “utility” features exist. Both vehicles sport APS, both vehicles have TF HE rounds, both have ESS and smoke launchers, both have LWS, the only differences I see utility wise is that the T-90M Arena has HE-FS, GLATMs and a commander’s .50 on a RCWS, the 4M only sports a commander’s 7.62 which is quite the downgrade over a .50.

Merkava’s ESS is more useful due to frontal mounted engine and much, much higher reverse speed. Merkava also possesses more smokes, and while its .50 doesnt traverse, it also doesnt get disabled if you lose a crew member. On top of this, Merkava’s HE is SAP so it can be used to idler/roadwheel someone in a corner 1v1.

@Lolman345

Already highlighted above, reload coping does not make up for the other shortfalls of the vehicle.

It is a signifcant pro over the T-90M.

@Lolman345

The first stage rack is 10 rounds what are you on about the 4M somehow having better ammo storage? Are you seriously choosing to run around with two Leopard 2 hull racks on the rear of your vehicle?

The rack back there is rarely hit, and if you take 28 rounds the loader side is empty and allows you to bait with that side. I will reply with a clip if I find it.

@Lolman345

Never mind the two rounds that sit right behind the engine and are the most common cause of death on all Merkava versions.

Thats BEEN fixed. You have to take 44 rounds before that rack is filled.

@Lolman345

So lets get to the actual elephant in the room, one vehicle sports spall liners and the other does not and the 35mm internal plate separating the engine compartment is a spall generation device on the Merkava, meanwhile the forward “external” fuel tanks on the T-90M Arena cannot generate spall and easily absorb such. To that same end, the 4M’s overall armor scheme is vastly inferior against any of the darts it faces.

While Merkava’s armor is worse, armor isn’t the meta at top tier, and is why T-90M is among the bottom 3 12.7s in the game.

@Lolman345

Still doing this? Its getting boring at this point.

Yes. L2p.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@YEARoftheABRAMS

I have never seen someone on the forums praise smoke shells, when in reality they can be super nice. Just like how ATGM can be nice in some scenarios.

I make more use out of smoke shells than barrel-launched ATGMs (Which I use never)

They’re a really nice gimmick to have occasionally if you want to push past an area or just piss off someone

[Lolman345]

@MiGoon_Fox-3

Hence why the seniority argument is complete bull

My mistake I did not immediately catch onto you making a strawman argument.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Which are a necessity.

For T series tanks, lol no since they have actual effective armor.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

No.

There are very few hills / ridgelines that cant be used by T series tanks that are as usable with -10 degrees of gun depression, sinai and a few other maps are the only ones with such features, gaijin has had a great time increasing most hills to the point that you have to expose yourself or be a Type 90 / 10 to actually use them.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

42-2 was a nice addition, it is the better shell to use.

Cool, that is a fine opinion to have.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Rather small difference.

Still waiting on a answer to the question.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

I have never seen someone on the forums praise smoke shells, when in reality they can be super nice. Just like how ATGM can be nice in some scenarios.

I’ve seen such a few times here and on reddit, mainly back around when the smoking kills memes were going around as smoke could overpressure for a bit and a few other times, I personally find it niche as you have to clear the tube to use it unlike smoke mortars and other options, but you can say the same about GLATMs too.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

You can’t judge a vehicle just by looking at them like that, not with your inexperience in top tier vehicles.

I regret to inform you being a unskilled or skilled player does not change the PWTR of a tank.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Merkava in testing is 2+s faster to 60 km/h, and has a faster top speed. But you wouldn’t know this.

My 4M can reach 60km/h in 17.24 seconds while the myT-90M with the ERA kit onboard reached 60km/h in 16.58 seconds, I can happily provide videos of such if you are interested since I’m guessing you forgot user missions exist which allow the use of all vehicles in game.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Yes, it does make it quite a bit better. But you wouldn’t know this as you haven’t played them.

Oh please, do find me a location that the 4M can use that the T series cannot, Oh and also my mistake as well, the T-90M and Arena have -6 degrees gun depression, not -5 like the BVM so the difference is actually only 1 degree of gun depression, -6 vs -7.

For someone who seems to be so knowledgeable of both vehicles I am very surprised you did not call me out on such.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Merkava’s ESS is more useful due to frontal mounted engine and much,

That changes functionally nothing, especially given the fact that ESS is largely a non-factor at top tier as it does not block thermals.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

much higher reverse speed.

Not a utility feature.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Merkava also possesses more smokes,

It does not, both vehicles only have 12 smoke dischargers, the smoke mortar on the 4M is a gimmick and not a viable system compared to the actual dischargers.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

and while its .50 doesnt traverse, it also doesnt get disabled if you lose a crew member.

Does not matter, it is a coax not a commander’s mount and thus cannot be used in the same way, they are not comparable.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Merkava’s HE is SAP so it can be used to idler/roadwheel someone in a corner 1v1.

Pre-HE tweaks maybe but currently you need to actually hit the underbelly of most tanks or get it fully side on to actually get the entire crew with overpressure. By comparison you can just toss 3OF26 into the front pike of a M1A2 and nuke it without issue, along with the same side shots that M339 can pull off.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

It is a signifcant pro over the T-90M.

As is the T-90M not having the ability of loosing a loader, its almost like its a give and take. No, 1 second is not costing you your life in a majority of battles unless you are in a reload duel with another tank.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

The rack back there is rarely hit

Its 80% of the rear vehicle and how I’ve killed most 4Ms I’ve come across besides the twinned rounds sitting up against the engine bulkhead.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

and if you take 28 rounds the loader side is empty and allows you to bait with that side.

This fascination with 28 rounds, you are aware that half the 4M’s load is 30 rounds right?

@YEARoftheABRAMS

While Merkava’s armor is worse,

Its good we agree on this.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

armor isn’t the meta at top tier,

Correct, Spall liners and the ability to negate incoming damage is due to it heavily reducing the skill floor and punishing people who score penetrating shots, or are you forgetting why gaijin has started adding all this garbage to the interiors of tanks.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

and is why T-90M is among the bottom 3 12.7s in the game.

Man I would love to hear that other 3 you think are the worst 12.7s.

@YEARoftheABRAMS

Yes. L2p.

Get better material hoss, especially given the fact you have a hidden profile.

@MiGoon_Fox-3

They’re a really nice gimmick to have occasionally if you want to push past an area or just piss off someone

Sometimes overpressuring a AA with them is quite funny.

[oKay_Erika]

@Lolman345

Indeed, given you think stat shaming means anything to this point, also as stated in the other thread, how cute you started in 2016 and tired to flex such on another poor user.

Who tried what? Answer me this: who first tried to flex with account age and hours of playing first?

@Lolman345

Oh I am well aware that you only measure other players based upon what suits your own tastes, I fully expect you to flip flop on the above as well, or you could also retract your statement in the other thread. (not happening lol)

Once again, my shown numbers were bigger(learn to count, please) therefore were better stats than ones you did show. You tried to flip flop making me like I tried use your worse stats but you failed. Even going for number of battles just for number to be bigger when for any sane person number of battles not equal to quality of these battles
No, you used insult in order to mock certain group players. It is insult by any means. You just trying flip flop situation once again
And the most funny thing it’s how used every hole to make you right but failed and now search for others threads to accuse me of something else. What a pathetic behavior

[Дана_горячая]

@Lolman345

wikipedia is not a source.

Get a load of this guy

[oKay_Erika]

“No you don’t understand. I didn’t try deliberately mock big chunk of players with clearly offensive insult of being low skill playing certain nation”. When other people use ru mains, russian mains etc, when people have no intention to insult someone. But all of this about dude double standards

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

@Lolman345

This fascination with 28 rounds, you are aware that half the 4M’s load is 30 rounds right?

I would know.

@Lolman345

Oh please, do find me a location that the 4M can use that the T series cannot

Cbf to boot up customs rn, will do it tomorrow though.

@Lolman345

That changes functionally nothing, especially given the fact that ESS is largely a non-factor at top tier as it does not block thermals.

So you don’t know how useful ESS baiting is?

@Lolman345

Not a utility feature.

90M takes ages to reverse into its ESS, meanwhile Merkava can go -64 and it doesnt even need to move, as the ESS is up front.

@Lolman345

It does not, both vehicles only have 12 smoke dischargers, the smoke mortar on the 4M is a gimmick and not a viable system compared to the actual dischargers.

With over a thousand matches in the Merkavas, I can tell you its not a gimmick lol.

@Lolman345

Does not matter, it is a coax not a commander’s mount and thus cannot be used in the same way, they are not comparable.

The main instance where the commander mount is more useful is when you need to track someone behind cover, which is useful. While 90M’s .50 is more useful, both atleast have one, and their own drawbacks compared to each other.

@Lolman345

Pre-HE tweaks maybe but currently you need to actually hit the underbelly of most tanks or get it fully side on to actually get the entire crew with overpressure.

While post nerf M339 is much worse, you can still do it to some tanks, it just takes some more fiddling around.

@Lolman345

Correct, Spall liners and the ability to negate incoming damage is due to it heavily reducing the skill floor and punishing people who score penetrating shots, or are you forgetting why gaijin has started adding all this garbage to the interiors of tanks.

That still isn’t the meta. Take the qualities of the Abrams, and you get the perfect example of a meta tank.

@Lolman345

Man I would love to hear that other 3 you think are the worst 12.7s.

My mistake, I was including 12.3s, its actually bottom 2 12.7s.
VT4A1
T-90M
T-90M is better than VT4 in some cases but due to VT4s workable reverse and .3s faster reload!!!, its better overall.
T-72B3A (was 12.3, isn’t now, w/e, disregard it)

@Lolman345

Get better material hoss, especially given the fact you have a hidden profile.

I dont see what you’re getting at here.

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

@Lolman345

As is the T-90M not having the ability of loosing a loader, its almost like its a give and take. No, 1 second is not costing you your life in a majority of battles unless you are in a reload duel with another tank.

This is such a lmao its not even funny. If the T-90M loses 2 crew, it dies. And its 1.7-2s of reload difference btw, which is huge in top tier, where people hold W like no tomorrow. So yes, 7s reload will and has gotten me killed multiple times. This, coupled with the complete lack of reverse, means you have to hope the enemies push in perfect intervals.

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

@Lolman345

My 4M can reach 60km/h in 17.24 seconds while the myT-90M with the ERA kit onboard reached 60km/h in 16.58 seconds, I can happily provide videos of such if you are interested since I’m guessing you forgot user missions exist which allow the use of all vehicles in game.

My mistake, it is 1+s.

@Lolman345

There are very few hills / ridgelines that cant be used by T series tanks that are as usable with -10 degrees of gun depression, sinai and a few other maps are the only ones with such features, gaijin has had a great time increasing most hills to the point that you have to expose yourself or be a Type 90 / 10 to actually use them.

Not true lmao.

@Lolman345

For T series tanks, lol no since they have actual effective armor.

Go play some T-XX tanks and see how much the armor saves you. Most people can actually aim, it doesnt make up for their many flaws.

@Lolman345

Still waiting on a answer to the question.

Dont really get what the question was. But 6s 42-2 <<< 5.3s M900.

[Дана_горячая]

I once saw somebody complaining ont gaijin bug report site about bad teammates

He legit had 5000 hours ingame with 0.1k/s

[luque13]

You need that much ammo only if you camp the spawns

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

As you can see, I am very much in the middle of the map.

[BarlangÚjonc]

well with Gaijin’s map design in 2026 that may as well be spawncamping

[oKay_Erika]

And what the problem with camping spawns?

[luque13]

You were as a guess 3rd person peeking and killing anything that left the southerly spawn.

Your first 3 - 5 kills were legit after that though…farmlng that spawn. Which the game allows

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

No, I was sitting near B as their entire team was holding W into our spawn, and fought them off until the horde was gone. I then sat on B and dueled/killed some people coming back for revenge.
Team eventually retook C, and I capped both A and B.

[BarlangÚjonc]

kills are kills, unless they’re the “plane/heli/ucav crashed” handouts

[luque13]

Nothing if winning in this dumb game means that much to you.

It used to take half the game before the spawn was locked down and now its minutes.
Farming players from the spawn is not some kind of skill play.

Depsite insufferable youtubers telliing you it is

[luque13]

Well played then

[YEARoftheABRAMS]

Game is designed around spawncamping, avg player cannot comprehend this. The only time spawncamping is bad is when your team is actively getting stomped.