Relict ERA and why it needs to be nerfed or removed

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First and foremost this is all pure speculative as none of us have actual proof other some manufacturer manual that is not actual proof at all because Russians are known for telling the world they have the best everything when in reality there s300 sites didnt even save maduro from an American butt whooping

So in this game we are all led to believe that basically on a t80bvm you can not shoot the upper plate with any round, it will not penetrate you would need to knock off the ERA first meaning you need to shoot the lower plate first or through the drivers window. Now let’s really think about it, are you meaning to tell me a round that can shoot up to 3-5 miles and penetrate 600 plus mm of armor can’t get through the upper plate of a Russian tank because of some extra block? lol get serious here

Look at the Russian tanks in Ukraine ffs Almost every tank in there arsenal turns the crew into Cosmonauts yet in War thunder if you shoot a bvm through the side it dosent even pen sometimes it just bounces off with the sheer will of Stalin???!!! Let me guess the relikt is infused with the blood of Stalin himself giving the bvm pure stalinium? Therefore it’s impervious to any round without the perfectly placed shot and don’t you love it when you shoot the bvm through the auto loader and yet here we are dead from its return fire?? lol come on war thunder!

Is war thunder even hiding the bias anymore? Not that they ever were to begin with, but it’s even more evident now days with the addition of the BMPT lol which literally can’t even keep its barrels straight in real life for a sustained rate of fire that would even be semi accurate let alone its taking my Abram’s breach out from god knows how far away lol.

Back on topic people, let’s be real here there is 0 actual proof that and I mean literally 0 evidence that relikt ERA is stopping a sabot round what so ever, it’s the only reason the bvm is able to have that impenetrable upper plate soon as you shoot one of the plates the round goes right through in any spot, I’m sorry but this is total BS, it’s literally meant for what? Heat Fs which is widely used still in tank warfare. People believe apsfsds is the end all and be all and that’s just not the case.

All I’m saying is this thing should be bumped down to 100mm of protection end of story there’s no way it’s protecting like it is. In contrary in Ukraine there’s direct evidence it does not work at all on heat fs or apfsds so what gives???!!! I’m just saying I’m tired of shooting this upper plate and the shot bouncing by the sheer will of Stalin himself all because who says so? I’m sorry people the math don’t math here and with an unreliable source such as the manufacturer and the Russian government just because they say so makes it true???
Take the mig25 foxbat!

What happend what the allies got ahold of the foxbat? It was taken apart and was considered the worst built plane of all time practically and was being held together by super glue. Yet the Russians would tell you it was literally a 10th generation aircraft

End the bias

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and every company that is trying to sell stuff 100% wont do the same?

yeah cause modern apfsds rounds are designed to be resistant to it genius

i dont think they ever really went very far with their uptalking of the mig25, let alone calling it 10th gen, they just played into natos false fear of the aircraft and made a lot of them

the only bias in warthunder is completely perceived bias towards whatever nation you fight

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They aren’t a Russian military equipment manufacturer are they?

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watch a simulation video on relict before rambling like a idiot on the forums, you suck at the game lol.

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I have accepted this game.

At the same time, I also let this game fxck me every day.

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Relikt is the only way I have to somewhat think on how to frag Soviet tanks at top BR.
Otherwise it’d be easier than dealing with M1A1.

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Don’t need a simulation video need actual proof that it works and so far none is provided and not only does it not work all I see is a ton of people praying to god there precious Russian stuff dosent get nerfed.

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Holy ragebait, keep your tears in eyes my boy

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You must be slow because that’s obviously satire and yes they talked up there mig25 to no end why was the west so worried about it then. Common place knowledge what comes out of the east under performs and what comes out of the west over performs and you might ask why? Because we don’t release every tidbit of info in a pamphlet and then when it’s taken apart and realize that’s not the case so we don’t look dumb case in point the foxbat. If you can’t read between the lines when someone says a 10th generation plane talking about a plane from the 70s and 80s you need help my son

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Wow, the range of injury seems to be a little too wide.

Calm down. It’s just a game.😂

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ah so youre the one whos biased here, i see now, that makes a lot more sense

even if you claim this is a ‘fact’ its still a bias

the west was worried about the mig25 before it got exported so the export propaganda had nothing to do with it, maybe it was the fact it could go like mach 2.5 and set a lot of records, its not like the west knew it could only do that for like 30 minutes before its engines died

i was very intentionally ignoring the sarcasm to annoy you, its sad that you require clarification for this

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I’ve been accepted it, dosent mean I have to like it though my brotha. I’m just saying if war thunder wants to pretend it’s based in “sim” or an even a “sim arcade” make it make sense. Can’t tell me a block of ERA is gonna stop a round that can chop through 6 feet of concrete at 2 miles lol we believe this because it says so in the manufacturers brochure lol I wonder when Venezuela bought those s300 sites to protect its sky’s did it read the brochure?

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why do you not believe its possible? it makes a lot of sense, the explosive charges push the round off of a straight course leading to the round having massively decreased penetration

you shouldnt think of it as the ERA stopping the round but instead it decreases the capability of the round itself

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I heard that Venezuela’s S-300 system didn’t fire because a mole had shut down the radar.

There are many things in the game that don’t match reality: for example, the main armor around the M1 tank’s gun breech has been weakened, and the lowermost row of Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) on the frontal upper hull of the Type 99A tank can’t effectively withstand DM53 rounds.

But at the end of the day, it’s just a game. For a better gaming experience, I always have my friend pick the Russian tech tree when we squad up.

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They didn’t seem to be turned on at all and were located far from the capital for the defense of oil refineries

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Some news reports stated that the air defense system in Venezuela’s capital was ordered to be shut down by Major General Javier Marcaño Tabata, a childhood friend of Maduro.

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By AI：

Here is an introduction to how Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) counters Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) rounds:

How Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) Works Against APFSDS

Core Principle: Active Disruption, Not Passive Absorption
Unlike traditional composite or steel armor which passively absorbs and disperses kinetic energy, ERA functions as an active protection system. Its primary goal is to disrupt, destabilize, and degrade the incoming penetrator before it reaches the main armor, significantly reducing its armor-piercing capability.

The Disruption Process (The “Sandwich” Explosion):
A standard ERA block consists of a high-explosive layer sandwiched between two metal plates. Upon impact by a kinetic penetrator like an APFSDS rod:

  1. Impact Detonation: The force of the impact triggers the explosive layer.
  2. Plate Acceleration: The explosion violently propels the two metal plates outward at high velocity.
  3. Lateral Force Application: The key effect is that these moving plates strike the sides of the high-velocity, slender APFSDS penetrator rod. This applies powerful lateral forces and shear stress.
  4. Penetrator Degradation: These forces can:
    · Induce Bending/Yaw: Cause the rod to tilt (increase its yaw angle), massively increasing the effective armor thickness it must penetrate.
    · Fracture the Rod: Break the penetrator into smaller, less effective segments.
    · Blunt the Tip: Deform the critical tip, reducing its ability to “bite” into the armor.

Effectiveness & Limitations:

· Highly Effective: Modern heavy ERA (like the Russian “Relikt” or Ukrainian “Duplet”) is specifically designed to defeat APFSDS and can reduce its penetration capability by 50% or more.
· One-Time Use: An ERA block is consumed after functioning and must be replaced.
· Crew & Infantry Hazard: The outward explosion can endanger nearby dismounted infantry or light vehicles.
· Countermeasures: Advanced APFSDS rounds may feature precursor tips or optimized designs to mitigate ERA effects. Tandem-warhead missiles are also designed to defeat ERA.

In-Game Context (e.g., War Thunder):
Game mechanics simplify this complex physics. An ERA block typically provides a fixed additive armor value (in millimeters of Rolled Homogeneous Armor equivalence) against kinetic penetrators when it is active. If the game models its one-time use, the protection is lost after the block is triggered. The “DM53 vs 99A’s ERA” discussion centers on whether the game-calculated combined protection (ERA + base composite armor) exceeds the round’s penetration value at a given range and angle.

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everyone claims to be the best

as for americas SMO, wont dwell on it long but the USA has ALL of Ukraine’s combat and espionage intel on how the BUK and all other russian air defence works. Information wins battles more than anything else

NATO APFSDS is lowballed in values. Weve known this for a decade.

Relict is probably not far off its KE and HEAT protection. like i said earlier NATO darts are lowballed and the anti-ERA designs are not modelled.

NATO ERAs such as ROMOR are just modelled like they are the masonry bricks weve seen mounted on T-72s in multiple conflicts in the last decade or so. Partly because NATO is good at hiding what they can do and partly because Gaijin likes “selective realism”.

one of the heads of the bug reporting website is quite pro russian and that has totally never caused any controversies ever at all with the russian exceptionalism accusations.

Ask me like two years ago if i think WT has actual intentional russian bias and i would have said “not really but a lot of russian stuff has questionable modelling” nowadays as ive become more active and met more people in the community i think (and almost know for certain) there is active bias in the mix of systems that run this game. this bias isnt just to russia, when it suits Germany and china has seen plenty of good eating too. So have the americans and to a much lesser extent the minor nations

more that all the ammunition relict sees should have its ERA defeating tech added to calculations

theres some evidence but nothing concrete from observations is going to be public for a long long time, for now theres only speculation.

ok. Its hawk 200 food in game. undertiered sure a bit but its not a flying BMPT

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That’s why they don’t best everything in the game, especially with BUK nowadays.

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The said invencible and untouchable S-300 you people swear that exist wasn’t active during the incursion, and some of them was also stored, outside operational areas and this was proven weeks ago, it wasn’t the fact that it didn’t worked, they [venezuelan army] didn’t used it at all. You have to consider that in War Thunder vehicles are represented in their perfect status, otherwhise you’d have autoloader malfunctioning, your turbine engine running out of oil or your stabilizer breaking apart because the road was slightly bad maintained.

If for some reason Gaijin fixes the issues pointed by the community related to explosive reactive armor, Soviet and Russian vehicles would have severe performance decrease meaning lower battle rating. The status quo of War Thunder is mostly kept by intentinal changes like ammunition, weaponry or anything that let developers to remove or add into a vehicle. Anti-ERA tips will be a great game changer in my opinion with certain drawbacks with its implementation, which is what I believe there are no massive improvements into more modern machinery in War Thunder even though we’re stepping into next-generation aircraft, but naval and ground vehicles are left behind.

Russian vehicles in War Thunder performs just like any other, I’ve found out that HSTV-L is the bane of Soviet vehicles, I like the gun handling, combined with good mobility and firepower, makes a nice anti-tank vehicle, specially in hilly maps like Second Battle of El Alamein. As I’ve mentioned before, in War Thunder vehicles will be represented in their best status possible, that’s why Ajax isn’t falling apart whenever you go above a certain speed.

To see bias, it’s very subjective. Take a peek into Sweden and ask yourself why Strv 121 is one of the fewer modern main battle tank with APDS-FS rounds stock, as far I’m concerned no Strv 121 is represented in-game under Soviet flag, is it bias or just coincidence? Or maybe T58 at battle rating 8.3 for more than enough to have the battle rating increased? Is it also another Soviet vehicle? I though Soviet flag had one star, not fifty.

I’m not ignoring the fact of how Terminator performed, there’s bias in my opinion but no in favor of one nation, but in vehicles, Premium bias to be more clear, I don’t want to sound crazy, but if BMP-T was never added and BMPT-72 was the only (premium) available option, I can’t unsee a scenario where it was kept at battle rating 10.7 at most. 2S38 is another good example of the Russian bias is true people, for the longest it was at battle rating 10.3 and now is being moved, so should T58 hopefully, coincidentally all of these vehicles are premium with additional of a tech tree variant with BMPT-72 is directly tied to which maybe the primary reason of the early battle rating change.

Make every Soviet vehicle accurate to their operational status and see yourself if you prefer consequentially and intentional undertiered vehicles because suddenly it can’t be held together, there’s concrete and cardboards in the explosive reactive armor bags if it’s bias or balance decisions

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