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What the heck is ATA? Besides that, militaries didn’t primarily use aircraft to engage aircraft. Self-propelled and stationary Anti-air were used heavily as the primary contribution force to engage hostile aircraft in different zones or convoys providing support to the said units.
Besides that, I vote no, because the idea in terms of implementation will likely be butchered pretty badly. Aka poorly implemented. If it is not, this wouldn’t solve the CAS problem, increasing SP cost to an additional 140 will not change anything as people are still going to focus on spamming aircraft which are primarily being used as disposable ways to Revenge bombs a player by ramming straight into them.
In reality incentivizing and properly teaching folks how to use self-propelled anti-air and Incendiary or high explosive belts would be the only mention to severely inable aircraft’s ability. To do Close Air Support or dumb players doing ramming maneuvers. But that would require paying folks in Golden Eagles, other wise what you get is->people ignoring it and most people ignore the tutorials. Cause they aren’t worth doing if you aren’t being paid in GE.
it’s ground battles, what needs to be done is buffing spaas, lowering the shorad spaas 1.0 br (zsu23-4m4 should be 8.3 not 9.3, gepard 1a2 8.7 and sidam mistral 8.3), giving manpadless counterparts stealth munition (as they should have), etc.
Also spaa anti tank capabilities should be nerfed to the ground because how many time did you die because one of your spaa was focusing on killing ground targets while there was a plane doing numbers on your team?
+1, this will help CAP a lot especially after gaijin increased ARH sp cost to almost if not equal to A2G loadout
CAS enjoyer here, +1 from me.
It’d make things more interesting and maybe make some ground only players get planes for CAP. Not to mention upping the intensity of combined combat
Really good idea, however as some said, i would say that 5 minutes sounds like it is a bit too long time. However this is mostly something that needs to be balanced in regards to how often the reduction is and how big it is each time. For example to highlight this, a reduction of 100SP ever 5 min, and a reduction of 50SP every 2,5 min, is the same reduction after the 5 min mark, however their effectiveness in regards to making people being able to spawn in CAP is different.
Also the minimum SP cost, of twice of AA spawn (~140SP), i feel like is too low, and should probably be something closer to 240-320 SP, like maybe a bit above the price of a second spawn MBT.
A suggestion to make it so people don’t sit in the spawn menu until they can spawn a plane, would maybe be to make the timer based on an active playtime, in the sense that you have be in a ground vehicle to for the SP reduction to be in effect.
The biggest hurdle in regards to the SP reduction, is that most aircraft at higher tier is a multi role fighter or strike aircraft. Of the rank VII & VIII that I quickly had a look through, the only purely AtA vehicles I found (that have no ground armaments) was the American and Italian F-16A ADF, Italian Tornado ADV and British Tornado F.3 & F.3 Late.
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Hmm, I think that could also be an idea as well, score based spawns for aircraft. Overall this mechanic I think would also curb CAS spam.
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My only concern about this is how many players are going to sit in fighters? and this is only really going to nerf pure CAS planes such as things like the tornados or Su25s or A10s that lack effective A2A armament to fight back against a pure A2A fighter, where as planes like the Su34, F15E and F16C are going to be perfectly fine being still being able to carry Fox 3 with very large CAS loadouts
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True, I will give you that, it doesn’t solve the overall problem, I’m just offering suggestions. I think another CAS SP increase is also in order.
Above a second MBT in price wouldn’t be a bad thing either. Overall a slight reduction over time instead of one big reduction of RP would probably be more sensible.
on some loadouts not all, AGMs already cost 1000+ sp to spawn in, I would suggest increasing the SP cost if the person is bringing A2A armament as well
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I personally disagree on increasing SP for loadouts if they’re just AtA loadouts, however multirole loadouts I do.
incentivising fighters to fulfill a role of actual air superiority, by say increasing RP rewards for plane kills with a fighter plane is a good start I think.
Although precision munitions exists for a reason, they really shouldn’t be that precise in WT, you didn’t spawn an SPAA? Well tough shit, “just” don’t be where the bombs are gonna be…
Currently “enjoying” Swedish 10.7 and I love spawning in SPAA only to be outranged by the very CAS i’m trying to defeat, only relying on pilot error to have a sporting chance in hell to shoot them down.
The whole CAS/SPAA dance of death desperately needs a competent rework, and knowing Gaijin… That’ll never happen
Making planes as cheap or even cheaper than tanks is legitimately one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever seen in the forums.
I’d like to repeat myself that this is just an idea as a stop gap, nothing more, until a way that more AA is implemented. Care to elaborate on your opinion though?
First off, there’d be massive issues with what is and isn’t CAP. Should a rank 1 with .50cals and no bombs be CAS? at what BRs, what ranks, what planes, and with what loadouts should be considered CAP or CAS? Should it apply only at certain BRs to certain nations?
Secondly, there’s already plenty of toxic noobs spawning in a reserve tank, capping a point, then J’ing out and playing CAP for the rest of the game getting 2 kills for the entire game. We don’t needa make this easier. Not to mention people who would just wait 5 minutes to burn all their SP on a CAP plane.
All this is gonna do is make it easier for toxic CAS haters to make 0 contribution to their team.
I’ll agree that it’d be difficult to gauge what is and isn’t CAP or CAS.
However, when it comes to people J-ing out, I normally don’t see CAP and I only see CAS, though I think there is a solution to be had to prevent the issue of that either way entirely.
Instead of wasting all that time deciding what is and isn’t CAS for a poorly planned feature that’s temporary anyways, they should just focus on adding more SPAA to nations like America or Israel that are lacking it.
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Valid counter-argument, it’d waste too much time on something that isn’t really worth all the extra work.
Wonder what they could add for the US and IL as AA though.