As the title says please change the effectiveness of these bombs from FIGHTER aircraft. Why do I in a STRIKE aircraft have to always get bases stolen right in front of my eyes by some useless premium mig21’s or mig23’s or any other fighter with access to napalm bombs. If you are not willing to change the effectiveness of those bombs you should add more bases so that I dont have to loiter around the map for 10 minutes to wait for bases to reappear after they get stolen by these people or better yet the game ends before they can even reload. Makes absolutely 0 sense that strike aircraft which are intended to take bases cannot even do their main job. Or perhaps you could make fighter aircraft who bomb bases with napalm only get 10-25% of what the actual base is worth to deter this kind of behavior because strike aircraft are becoming obsolete and unenjoyable to play in this current game.
Multirole aircraft have multiple roles…
They were intended to run these missions IRL and thus have the weapons.
You meant MiG-21/23??
AFAIK, they were designed as purebred interceptors just like the F-104(Early Variants) did.
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There are a tremendous number of topics about MiG-21/23 shamelessly stealing bases from dedicated strike aircraft, you will get no reply, but get the topic closed by mods.
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That is a napalm bomb’s problem, which acts way too well compared to normal bombs.
Half the weight but double the effectiveness for destroying the base.
The synergy of the Interceptor fuselage and lightweight napalm became insane. -
Watch out for both of fighter jocks which acts negatively to any attempt for PVE stuffs (ground attacking, base bombing, etc) and guys who alegically reacts about any attempts about nerfing their stuffs.
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As long as gaijin don’t give a single concern about strike aircraft in ARB
Strike Aircraft will remain worthless and get no treatment from Gaijin.
Enjoy the napalm meta and be one of those.
If you keep playing strike aircraft, all you can do is be ‘being an expensive manned bot which gives an extra reward than real bot attackers when shot down.’
The first versions were, yes. Then later variants were made into multirole aircraft.
Most multirole aircraft start as interceptors, see F-15 and F-16.
I might agree with MiG-21bis, but I can’t agree with you about MiG-23M variants.
See MiG-23BN and MiG-27.
If soviets wanted to build and built F-15E-ish MiG-23. MiG-23BN, and MiG-27 fits more than MiG-23MLA in that position.
Back to the original topic, I understand that we need to respect multirole’s capability, and removing napalm from multiroles is a bad idea
But seeing MiG-23ML sharing the same BR with Su-25SM3 or Tornado IDS in ARB is wild as hell.
“But we consider overall effectiveness when balancing BR!” they said. :/
I understand that aircraft like the mig27 should keep its napalm, but as I said in my post why not reduce the reward for aircraft such as the mig21 lazur or mig23 ml, which now that the sales just ended are super frequent around the 11.3 br which I like playing at? As to make it something less rewarding so that they do their intended job in the game which is to fight the other fighters. Both mig21 and 23 lose out on at least 2 missiles by taking bombs which in turn makes them less viable to the team. I can constantly see these newer players bombing with their new aircraft which is understandable for grinding their tech tree, but they will never learn how to help their team if they only bomb and die.
Presumably then you are also in favour of strike a/c losing all their Air-to-air weaponry so they do not shamelessly steal kills from fighter aircraft?
Then they should all get their br’s considerably reduced. Most of them are already over br’d and are much slower than most other aircraft not counting things like the f15e or su 34
The reason Mig-27 exists is due to lack of space in the nose of Mig-23ML for optics, that’s it.
The reason Mig-23BN exists is because it was an improved engine over the Mig-23M [not ML], and the Mig-23ML replaced the Mig-23BN for that role.
Your post is a failed “gatcha” because it went in blind.
To put this in perspective this is how the timeline of 23s went:
Mig-23, Mig-23M/Mig-23BN, Mig-23ML… along those lines.
If you add napalm to the Mig-23ML it is effectively a faster Tornado IDS for that match with less payload.
2x R-24s and 1 base of bombs vs 12 1000 pound bombs and 2x 9Ls.
And of course the fighter’s should get their BR’s reduced due to their lower usefulness for grinding too.
Which aircraft would you want to see their br’s reduced because you cant just put a top tier aircraft to suddenly face 11.0 or something like that
How about fighter aircraft get more sl and rp from killing aircraft and strike aircraft in bombing and killing ground targets that would make both better at their job
All those that lose their ability to bomb bases of course - that’s the point of the discussion isn’t it?
Good to see some thought finally going into it!
Dunno - make the suggestion :)
But where would you put the mig21’s with napalm if they lose. Maybe it could go at 10.7 like the j7d, but the mig23 ml cant go as low as 11.0 or 11.3
You want the change so it is your problem to come up with the solution - not mine.
Im just suggesting reducing the likeablity of killing bases with those aircraft not that their br should be moved. Thats what you suggested.
Balancing BR with ‘grinding/reward netting capability’ is ridiculous as hell, dunno why the hell Gaijin still uses that for balancing planes. :/
Seeing Tornado GR.4 sharing the same BR with MiG-21bison because of the same HMD+IRCCM combo.
And Tornado GR.1 & Su-25SM3 sharing the same BR with MiG-23ML is wild. :(
in current meta of ARB, MiG-23ML singlehandly beats both of these strike aircraft in effectiveness, and even 5yo kids might can understand these difference. only Gaijin doesn’t.
You are suggesting their overall effectiveness be reduced - that is prima-facie a case for BR reduction that should be obvious, but which I needed to point out because you had not thought through your proposal very much.
I only get 10/10 for pointing out the bleeding obvious that you did not think of!
Yup lol I like playing the jag IS so Im even worse that the tornado at getting to a base, but oh well Gaijin dont give as. I mean at least the magic 2’s are pretty nice.