The Black Prince is a tad bit too high. APDS is unreliable, and it’s way too slow to be 6.0
thats absolutely ridiculous. Yk what? Fine. Make the KV-1E/B be forced to used just solid shot too
It is woefully overtiered because one hit in the tracks from the front and the whole crew is dead. Until Gaijin hotfixes this glaring defect in their code, the tank is useless.
But it’s true. The Jumbo went from 4.7 to 5.3.
And if the Churchill Mk VII gets APHE, it will 100% go to at least 5.0.
It’s slow but much better armored than even the T14 or KV-1 ZIS-5, while APHE gives it similar firepower.
So it will see IS-1s, Tigers and Panthers much more frequently. Not to mention a whole bunch of armored TDs.
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It shouldn’t It’s incredibly weak at 4.7, give it APHE and it will be a balanced tank.
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If it wasn’t balanced, it wouldn’t have been 4.7 for an eternity.
APHE is a huge multipler in killing power.
While the AP lacks damage due to low penetration, APHE always deals 100% damage.
At the moment it’s balanced by dealing low damage and having armor that a lot of vehicles can’t penetrate.
It deals no damage. I’ve rarely ever been able to kill tigers with it, not because of the pen, but because the Cupola weak spot doesn’t exist, hitting ammo rarely does anything because no spall, and it often takes 2 shots to kill a single crew member.
Well, you shouldn’t take it out to face off against Tigers.
It’s only really meant for 3.7-5.0 battles.
At higher BRs you take anything with the 17pdr or something with the 6pdr that can scout.
One time I ended up with, idk, 7 kills and top of the team, one shoting Panzer IV and Jagdpanzers 38(t)s left and right, with shots to the side.
The funny part was I didn’t even get shot once.
Just crawling forward through the map and then back when the enemy was pushing back my team on one flank.
Well against say the VK 30.02, it’s at 5.0, 0.3 BR above, I can’t pen it it can pen me, I should at least be able to kill it if I pen it I’d hope. Same with the T-14, that’s at the same BR as me, I can’t pen it it can’t pen me, but if we pen each other at the same time, I’ll die and he’ll live. It really does need APHE, but putting it lower would just be stupid.
If you can’t easily destroy the enemy it’s best to disable them and disengage.
Target prioritization is key.
You’re a rolling bunker that isn’t easily penetrated, so you should support your team by being an inconvenience for the enemy.
What about when it’s me and 2x M16s vs the entire enemy team locking down A point, then I want to kill them and cap it.
But the Churchill Mk VII is almost helpless against Soviet vehicles. The T-34 moves like a light tank so what if you penetrate its turret frontally? It just loses a gunner and then flanks you, launching a relentless attack. When facing the KV-1, you can hardly do anything. Its gun is more powerful, and it has better mobility. Moreover, most Soviet players tend to aim for the gun barrel, since the Churchill Mk VII has a very large muzzle brake, making it easy to destory.
Weakspots behind the front drive wheel are reliable
The best way to deal with KV-1s and T-34s is to track them and ignore them.
Idealy you don’t want to be in a position where someone can simply push you.
Stay with your team, which isn’t very difficult when you’re the slowest on your team, and support them.
If you can’t easily take a target down, it’s best not to waste too much time on them.
Using player performance statistics to compare vehicles is the exact reason why the game has such poor balance to begin with, better players are going to flock to meta trees and meta vehicles which is why the KV-1 is going to always have a better KDR.
The battle rating of 4.7 with a current match maker spread of 1.0 is the most balanced you can possibly be without it being too difficult to play or too strong to defeat. There is NO other tank with this much armor at this low of a battle rating and there’s many good reasons for that. It’s speed is poor but that’s because of it’s design. The vehicle can punch above it’s weight when used correctly and can dominate it’s current BR of 4.7 with relative ease.
Are there dedicated tank destroyers that can easily destroy the vehicle? Absolutely but that’s correct for every battle rating, however to lie and say the Churchill cannot penetrate the front of the ISU-152 is not really going to help your argument. The vehicle can be penetrated through the driver’s port and with smart tactics you can easily disable and destroy the ISU-152. You’ve got a significant advantage of reload rate enabling many different options to dispatch this enemy.
Same thing with the idea that the Mk VII poses no threat to 5.7s when it is perfectly capable of frontally engaging Panthers, Tigers, T-34-85s and Shermans. The armor on this vehicle is excellent but any vehicle’s armor isn’t great when used improperly.
The Mk VII in game currently is a great support tank and center piece of the British equipment at 4.7 able to provide heavy armor and defense when needed.
At 4.3 the vehicle will begin to fight 3.3s which will have a significantly harder time fighting the Mk VII than the Mk VII will have fighting the 5.7s it currently faces, the goal here is to have a balanced tank, not an impenetrable one which is currently where the Mk VII sits.
Track it, kill it. You’ve already managed to successfully engage it killing the gunner which means your point of being helpless against soviet tanks is entirely moot.
Just like when playing the German KV-1B you can penetrate the driver’s port crippling the vehicle or you can engage it from the side and destroy it. You can also penetrate the edges of the KV-1’s turret.
It’s APHE does less penetration than it’s solid shot, your solid shot has more penetration than it’s solid shot, you have a faster reload, the only edge the ZIS-5 gets is that it gets APCR which will still struggle to penetrate you frontally.
So shoot theirs first? It’s not exactly difficult to hit that massive breech block that sits below the KV-1 and T-34’s gun.
It HAS APHE though, unlike the Churchill, and it has broken APHE at that. BR-350B with MD-8 fuze is it’s best shell, and only penetrates an entire 7mm less than the Churchill’s M61 shot, along with being better on angles and at range. Sure it has 1.5x the reload speed, but when you can’t pen each other that matters little.
It’s much more reliable to hit the Churchill’s barrel. The KV-1’s barrel and breech often shrug off shells to them, and turn them yellow or don’t do any damage at all.
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With that best shell you’re going to be struggling at every range to frontally damage the Mk VII while the Mk VII can frontally damage and even destroy the KV series of tanks.
Meaning that it’s lacking an entire 60mm from being able to reliable frontally penetrate you which isn’t the case for the Churchill which can take advantage of turret edges and the driver’s port
You’re extremely quick to write off a faster reload, you can end up tracking a KV and putting another shell into it before it’s able to get it’s gun around to react. This reload rate is important and is one of the Churchill’s strengths along with it’s significantly heavier armor.
This is factually incorrect, a good shot against either the barrel or breech at a close enough range almost always disables either.
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Have you heard of angling? That makes the KV-1 immune to the Churchill, whereas the KV-1 with MD-5 or MD-8 can pen the Churchill’s roof.
No.
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Thankfully if the KV-1 wants to shoot you, he’ll have to show you those turret weakspots. If the Churchill angles it’s even more difficult than the KV to kill.
This is an unreliable shot that is not only difficult to pull off but often puts you in a situation where the churchill can disable you. Meanwhile a turret face shot or driver port shot is very reliable against a KV-1.
It works on my machine. Don’t know what else to tell you.
So at this point we’ve managed to narrow the discussion down to both tanks are so evenly matched that only miniscule details are being argued such as singular weak spots. Which means I have to propose this question, if the KV-1 ZIS-5 is struggling this much to effectively destroy the Mk VII, how is the 1E, or hell even the L-11 KV supposed to deal with this threat? It makes no sense to push the tank down if it’s already adequately challenging it’s 4.7 Soviet contemporary. Even after flanking you need a damn near flat angle to penetrate the side of the Mk VII with MD-8 and good luck going through the side of it’s turret with MD-8.