Agreed. Rather than addressing the real issues with naval, they changed aiming because “yeah! That’s what new players want!!” In the process they
Made planes in naval nearly useless.
Eliminated the protection speed and maneuverability gave small boats.
Broke shooting over rocks and sandbars.
Broke aiming at turning targets.
Made dying to ammo explosions in as little as one hit the norm.
Removed any need for skill. The learning curve is essentially flat: point and click.
You raise a good point: Satisfied customers rarely tell the company they are satisfied. But look at all the issues tagged Naval: Over 100 in the last two weeks with almost every single one having more than 1 person saying “I have this problem too”. As you scroll through the list of versions, there are very few that have as many dissatisfied customers complaining about the “fixes”. Sure, more complaints in the last two weeks than in the last ~2 years is anecdotal and only Gaijin has the real numbers, but I doubt they look at a graph of complaints over time. (complaints vs $$$'s maybe, but not complaints over time).
Amen brother!
My #1 suggestion for Gaijin would be to play their own game and then they’d see all the problems. A close 2nd suggestion (assuming they’ll ignore the first) is that they beta test their code before pushing to production. I would get fired if I tested my code in production like this.
Isn’t pre patch “meta” ships were even more capable?
Is saturated is boring? I think it quite opposite for me.
Why should strait sailing single boat should be a treat to a massive destroyer in open sea? Why you don’t want to play smart?
How much of them about the bugs that were introduced with over obstacle shooting? How much of them about people doesn’t understand how to aim with new mechanics? And how much of the about that someone don’t like it out of those 100? It’s all different problems.
Zero bugs. That should be the goal. Not “the same number of bugs as we’ve always had.”
It doesn’t matter if there’s a bunch of people complaining about a few bugs or a few people complaining about a bunch of bugs. The point is there are bugs that are not getting addressed.
I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from, but I’m failing to see your points. Do you think it is better that ammo explosions are the standard way ships die now? Are you arguing that AI shooting down planes the moment they spawn is an improvement? I just…don’t get it. I’m saying naval has some serious issues that are not being addressed. Are you saying they’re not being addressed because there’s no issues? Seriously, give the AI ships in air battles the same aiming as they have in naval and see how many people complain when they start losing their planes in spawn because some destroyer 12km away shoots them down. Then try telling them its a skill issue.
More of a silver lining. I was referring to Soviet Pr. 191s, Japanese Soukou-Teis, and other gunboats with lower freeboards, which were easily affected by rough seas in coastal battles and often outgunned by boats with rapid-firing guns.
We have extensively,discussed this issue in other threads extensively, you know very well that in most maps they can shoot you to spawn.
Hell if you get matched up with 4.3 they don’t even have to aim you, their AI gunners are shooting you by they own.
There is a reason why coastials are having a different spawn from destroyers, now they have lost this benefit and given the new pinpoint accuracy they have also lost the benefit of the speed thus
stuff like the Drache / Bussard /Cadit etc with their high silouete and slow speed have become just targets.
Heh, AI gunners aiming accuracy is nothing to do with new aiming it’s a separate change.
They always been for DD+ ships, heck even for frigates.
Now you should use smoke, counterfire at guns, artillery barrage and so one way more often to survive. Sometimes you even need to think should you respawn now no should wait a bit. Isn’t it a smart gameplay? Is it easier game as some of you here and in other treads claim?
If you acting stupid, you get pommeled isn’t it fair? Like this two guys who sail strait instead of zigzag.
So lets repeat one more time the same convertation but please when you asnwer do so to my whole post, don’t just pick the point you like and it is convenient to support you cause.
1.Yes prior to the patch they could shoot you but 99,9% they would miss.
2.AI gunners and A/A gunners changed with the patch, given that so far there is no responce from GJ I am not so sure that this was not intentional.
3.Why do you insists on presuming that I play stupid?
You are posting a screan of a guy in a v-330 attacking your Moffet, what a great example of a sure defeat!!
Check facts on the norm m8 not the extremes!
Post an examble were a V-330 is attacking a 3.3 or 3.7 DD not a BR5 DD and especially that one.
(v-330 shooting torps at 5.7 cruiser at 7-8klm was working very well before and it waswhat they were designed to do—haven’t tried it after the change.)
Go try to play the Drache or stuff like MPK Pr.201K in a map with just Litchfields.
Either way you need to spawn late cause GJ does not play Naval and does not understand that spawning flank speed so close means we are crashing to each others, hell put in the mix that there is an island dead ahead its just wonderful!
smokescreens didn’t work, even when - with a slow vessel you must make a turn to hide - in the meantime you are dead. Artillery has very limited range and these slow ships didn’t have them.
I miss then Arcade and Realistic were mostly interchangeable, i can get a bit of their point on the change of the aiming on Arcade.
i kind can live with the new aiming then playing with frigates, destroyers and cruisers (as long the aiming bug does not happen), but coastal feels like a meat grinder, as someone that is playing WT because i just could not deal with WG anymore in world of warships (long term frustrations with the distraction of the game and the dumpster fire on the LATAM community and the “”““Pan-American””“” cruisers line) i kind think that for arcade maybe the wows approach for aiming can be implemented, basically you have to take into account the movement and speed of the target but not the ship firing the guns (basically the game will read the firing ship as stationary on the position it fired for anything related to the shell trajectory), so it simpler than in Realistic but it can be a steeping stone for then moving to Realistic, with is what i believe Arcade should be in some ways
That’s not true 1 sec reangefinding give you ability to get green circle/“v”, all you need just aim at it and shoot.
They change it cause they changed rewards for bots and that is right, cause bots require same amount of time to kill if you waste time to kill bots you not killing the players, in that time you become vulnerable, so why should you get less rewards.
i don’t insist that you doing that, i advise players to play smart before critic the changes.
i played this setup for a week(until yesterday i researched Ghibli), with Gabbiano which even worse than Drache, and have no problems.
They do not attack my DD they tried to capture the point not even maneuvering. Btw. they surely could kill my guns from that distance, but the didn’t do anything they played stupid and i got them
this non-wanted change last year was the first worse step to the situation we just have - was also criticised in many posts here. I doubt GJ foreseen the impact on the coastals but as now - no feedback was given by them
of course not - but before it wasn’t much attractive for a destroyer to lock a boat at the spawn (which soon vanishes behing a island) instead to focus on other bluewater. Sure - if there was a thread boats steering straight could be killed easily. With the actual damage model boats can be killed much more easy (prev. the resistance of a G5 boat was ridicoulos)
Players A/A , auxiliery and AI gunners changed because of what?
What rewards have to do with this?
Also why did they changed the bots rewards and how did this benefit the player?
Now how is a bot that insta snipe me not an immetiate threat?
If I don’t kill the bot it will laser kill me, correct?
I guess more deaths for me more repair costs,GJ logic not Kweedko’s.
This was also a major nerf for coastial but it was not game breaking, 1sec should only be valid for an aready ranged target and maybe like 3 or 4 max. Actually this is more realistic than both old and new system, crews can track many targets and newer ships can track even more.
I said Destroyers insta killing coastials at spawn, I have also shared photos of that in the other posts.
Again please stop twitching my words to fit your perpective.
ps1->your sugestions are links to the Russian forum, we don’t speak Russian and also don’t have account. They seem intresting so if you want to talk about them make a suggestion in these forums.
