Redesign the navy's targeting system to be different from WT Mobile

[Rupert64]

@Kweedko

That’s not true 1 sec reangefinding give you ability to get green circle/“v”, all you need just aim at it and shoot.

this non-wanted change last year was the first worse step to the situation we just have - was also criticised in many posts here. I doubt GJ foreseen the impact on the coastals but as now - no feedback was given by them

[Kweedko]

@Rupert64

this non-wanted change last year was the first worse step to the situation we just have - was also criticised in many posts here. I doubt GJ foreseen the impact on the coastals but as now - no feedback was given by them

oh come on, even before that, killing a strait sailing boat never been a problem if you know what to do. Not near 99% of misses as spirtous stated.

[Rupert64]

of course not - but before it wasn’t much attractive for a destroyer to lock a boat at the spawn (which soon vanishes behing a island) instead to focus on other bluewater. Sure - if there was a thread boats steering straight could be killed easily. With the actual damage model boats can be killed much more easy (prev. the resistance of a G5 boat was ridicoulos)

[Kweedko]

If you know what you doing you always choose easy prey no matter of aiming.

@Rupert64

With the actual damage model boats can be killed much more easy (prev. the resistance of a G5 boat was ridicoulos)

And it’s not new aiming fault either.

On my last game in the end of the fight enemy torpedo boat captured the point right in front of me under my fire and won a match with that. They done it before patch they doing it now.
https://warthunder.com/ru/tournament/replay/334358891849105810

ps. someone really mad and keep reporting my posts even unoffending like this one, which is totally on topic

[spirtous]

@Kweedko

@spirtous

2.AI gunners and A/A gunners changed with the patch, given that so far there is no responce from GJ I am not so sure that this was not intentional.

They change it cause they changed rewards for bots and that is right, cause bots require same amount of time to kill if you waste time to kill bots you not killing the players, in that time you become vulnerable, ыщ why should you get less rewards .

Players A/A , auxiliery and AI gunners changed because of what?
What rewards have to do with this?

Also why did they changed the bots rewards and how did this benefit the player?
Now how is a bot that insta snipe me not an immetiate threat?
If I don’t kill the bot it will laser kill me, correct?
I guess more deaths for me more repair costs,GJ logic not Kweedko’s.

@Kweedko

@spirtous

Yes prior to the patch they could shoot you but 99,9% they would miss.

That’s not true 1 sec reangefinding give you ability to get green circle/“v”, all you need just aim at it and shoot.

This was also a major nerf for coastial but it was not game breaking, 1sec should only be valid for an aready ranged target and maybe like 3 or 4 max. Actually this is more realistic than both old and new system, crews can track many targets and newer ships can track even more.

@Kweedko

oh come on, even before that, killing a strait sailing boat never been a problem if you know what to do. Not near 99% of misses as spirtous stated.

I said Destroyers insta killing coastials at spawn, I have also shared photos of that in the other posts.
Again please stop twitching my words to fit your perpective.

ps1->your sugestions are links to the Russian forum, we don’t speak Russian and also don’t have account. They seem intresting so if you want to talk about them make a suggestion in these forums.

[Kweedko]

@spirtous

ps1->your sugestions are links to the Russian forum, we don’t speak Russian and also don’t have account. They seem intresting so if you want to talk about them make a suggestion in these forums.

You can login there with your account it always been that way it all the same ecosystem, so go vote support naval changes. Or you can replicate them here in suggestion section if you really need it. Redesign the navy's targeting system to be different from WT Mobile - #90 by Kweedko

@spirtous

Players A/A , auxiliery and AI gunners changed because of what?

You mixing different changes that use the same mechanic it could not be the same but dev choose this way.

@spirtous

I said Destroyers insta killing coastials at spawn, I have also shared photos of that in the other posts.
Again please stop twitching my words to fit your perpective

Before patch i always instakill boats on spawn if i can see them and reach them.

@spirtous

Also why did they changed the bots rewards and how did this benefit the player?
Now how is a bot that insta snipe me not an immetiate threat?
If I don’t kill the bot it will laser kill me, correct?
I guess more deaths for me more repair costs,GJ logic not Kweedko’s.

Cause high risk high reward. Play smart, do not respawn or sail strait and solo vs bunch of bots which got better ships(i bet you don’t do that if there are real players), imagine them like not very intellectual players.

[spirtous]

@Kweedko

You can login there with your account it always been that way it all the same ecosystem. Or you can replicate them here in suggestion section if you really need it. Redesign the navy’s targeting system to be different from WT Mobile - #90 by Kweedko

We don’t read Russian, either way its your suggestions.

@Kweedko

Before patch i always instakill boats on spawn if i can see them and reach them.

For the last time, spawn to spawn laser killing was not easy, now is.

@Kweedko

Cause high risk high reward. Play smart, do not respawn or sail strait and solo vs bunch of bots which got better ships(i bet you don’t do that if there are real players), imagine them like not very intellectual players.

Again the same assumption that we play stupid? really m8?

Also I have no idea what you mean by “high risk high reward”
I don’t need more SL if its to brake my game or fun, it not an online cazino.
Either way thisis not related with the new aiming, it just changed with the same patch.

[Kweedko]

@spirtous

We don’t read Russian, either way its your suggestions.

Man there is 21 century outside the window, translate it with AI or google translator which installed in browser if you really interested.

@spirtous

For the last time, spawn to spawn laser killing was not easy, now is.

Always was.

@spirtous

I don’t need more SL if its to brake my game or fun, it not an online cazino.

You don’t need i don’t need, but i do need RP why you deciding that nobody need. As i say before bot TTK same as player especially on big ships why should it give 10x less reward. Besides that bot kill you planes and boats efficiently now.

[Rupert64]

@Kweedko

Always was.

NO! At least not for us noobs ;-)

[Kweedko]

Reload on HE + main and secondary simultaneously shooting option enabled and no problems. Btw after major patch looks like coastal boats got increased survivability for compartments i waste more shots to kill one.

ps. over obstacle aiming finally fixed

Planes still viable too. But they break zooming after you leave a plane lol (Update 2.45.0.76 - #15 by Kweedko)

[Rupert64]

did you test the aiming fix? I saw another post in which it was claimed not to be fixed…
I can test it by my own in a few hours

[Kweedko]

yep for me it seems fine

[FuegoTigre]

@Kweedko

If you know what you doing you always choose easy prey no matter of aiming.

If you’re losing LOS to the boat from your ship because it:

1. Isn’t visible at 5km (or 3km!)
2. Is small and maneuverable
3. Has terrain to use to its advantage

Then you’re absolutely not firing on it with your slower firing turrets because the time to target is likely going to equate to a miss, and your time is better spent putting rounds into something you’re FOR SURE going to hit. Like a slow moving blue water.

NOW… you can just lazily target and click and catch someone trying to move from spawn. It’s lazy design.

[Kweedko]

@FuegoTigre

• Isn’t visible at 5km (or 3km!)
• Is small and maneuverable
• Has terrain to use to its advantage

Nothing changed in this with the patch. Shells not homing don’t you know?

[Josephs_Piano]

@LeMorbidDeath

That is a great suggestion! or at least give players the choice?

Excellent idea - I won’t select the old system and would be delighted if all my opponents did.

[LeMorbidDeath]

@Josephs_Piano

Excellent idea - I won’t select the old system and would be delighted if all my opponents did.

<3 Love it

You believe the suggested fixed system would make things less painful for you if they did?
I’m sure when the current broken aiming system is fixed it might need balancing, Gaijin will surely handicap what is necessary accordingly!

[Josephs_Piano]

There is no current broken system - there is a current system that people have said they do not like.

I am not one of those people.

And no balance would be needed - if you choose to use the inferior* old system then you get to live with the consequences! :)

*-inferior in the sense that people say the new system makes hitting your target much easier, so it must be harder to do so with the old system

[LeMorbidDeath]

Ah okay gotcha,
Thanks for your opinion!
Don’t forget to tell all that care to vote :)

[spirtous]

@Josephs_Piano

And no balance would be needed - if you choose to use the inferior* old system then you get to live with the consequences! :)

It does not need to be fixed, it could be like planes were you can bind key to go from mouse move to mouse joystick or even better something hybrid s like the one in the G limiter on JETs.

Ofcourse for 100% use you would be clearly be at disadvantage but when you need you probably can free aim much better

Regarding the “broken system” the fault here is that by making the AI calculating the shots the player can now always shoot at max range and make succesfull hits.
This way they “broke” the weapons effective range by make it equal.

So before for weapons we had

a)effective range while maneuvering
b)max effective weapons range
c)max weapons range.

This creates situations like this,

a 2cm/65 c/38 mount can make impossible shots and land not one hit but 4 beyond its effective range, actually beyont its max range…

Funny thing is that even in their wiki it reads

https://old-wiki.warthunder.com/2_cm/65_C/38_(20_mm)

The effective range of the 2 cm/65 C/38 is approximately 2 km with the 20 mm HET belt, though if using the 20 mm APT belt, the effect range can be increased to roughly 2.3 km. Even so, hitting moving targets at such ranges can be difficult because of the relatively low muzzle velocity and the small mass of the rounds. Boats armed with 2 cm/65 C/38 should aim to close the distance where they can overwhelm enemy boats with their firepower.

[Kweedko]

@spirtous

This way they “broke” the weapons effective range by make it equal.

It’s a bug report it.