Rebalancing of the AB 205 A-1 helicopter in the Italian branch

[SeRO7oNiN]

I suggest giving this helicopter ATGMs, SIGNIFICANTLY lowering its combat rating, or giving it more rockets, due to its utter uselessness in combat. Its armament consists of 14 rockets (7 launchers), which, with their overpressure, are incapable of killing even an infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), even if you have to manage to hit them, as well as a pair of 7.62-caliber machine guns that are only good for destroying trucks during a test drive. And of course, it attracts the attention of literally the entire enemy team as soon as you enter a combat zone, making even a quick swoop and kill someone with rockets incredibly difficult. And with this flying hunk, you need to rack up 150,000 research points for the next helicopter.

[Beeschurger]

Did it carry ATGMs in italian service?

[Pheonix_RX01]

No

[Normandy_Corsair]

only option is to downtier this to the point where its so out of place its cartoonish. It would be like 5.7-6.3 if you made it “fair”

[Pheonix_RX01]

Again its why gaijin gave players the ability to skip heli grinding by using tanks.

[Normandy_Corsair]

That’s not the main reason, the main reason is helicopters straight up do not earn RP at any reasonable rate in any mode. At least that is my interpretation.

[Circleati]

youre probably both correct lets be real

[Pheonix_RX01]

Thats because they dont want you to grind them with TT vehicles they want you to buy a premium and grind the tree in heli EC for hours on end. I gave up spading certain helicopters especially in EC like the HKP3C since 2km slow missiles cant get close to hit anything with the spaa up, rockets somewhat work but the gains are so weak i gave up spading most nations helicopters because they have been abandoned for the most part.

[YaSen]

Nope, although it could get heavier launchers with 19 rockets each. Also there other early helicopters which carry SS.11 and can easily be added like AB.204B (we already have this one but with different weapons in the Swedish TT) and AB-47G/J which were experimentally fitted with missiles. And there are naval helicopters with AS.12 like AB.212ASW and AS.61 Sea King.

[paolgand1975-psn]

The AB 205 was used in that configuration as a troop support helicopter; it was never intended for an anti-tank role. The first helicopter designed for that purpose was the 109. It should simply be removed because it’s an incorrect choice and replaced with something else, or, without overcomplicating things—as was done for China—the tree should start at 8.7, with the first helicopter being the 109.

[YaSen]

A109 was the first successful integration of AT weapons, yes, but mentioned by me AB-47 were tested with ATGMs before A109 and there is no reason not to implement it as well as AB204B and others.

Agusta-Bell AB-47

poll General Info The history of what at the time was known as the Bell 47 began straight after WW2, a lot of advancements would be made in terms of designing new helicopters and retrofitting them for various roles. Bell would design with what was known as the Bell 47, many believe them to be pioneers due to how widespread the concept would become. Previously similar designs had proven to be mostly failures, so having a design which worked was a major breakthrough. It did not take long for vari…

Agusta-Bell AB.204B

poll General Info The AB-204 is a utility helicopter, derived from the American made UH-1B, with only minor differences that would be built under license in Italy. The history of the AB-204 starts in the mid 1950’s, the Bell model 204, won a contract that would further develop and produce a helicopter for the United states military specifications for a general utility helicopter, that could be easily modified to make it fit specific roles, such as for search and rescue and training. After a few…

About 205, it could be either hidden or put in folder with AB204B, it’s still usable in heli EC at least with support of some ATGM-equipped helicopter.

[paolgand1975-psn]

Yes, that’s an alternative, but I’ll go straight to the 109.

In any case, considering the rate of additions to Italy, I would prefer other things to be implemented.

In this chart, you can see the additions to Italy out of the total number of vehicles added (including Hungary and Romania) since the tree was implemented. If we remove the stats from the main tree (aircraft, tanks, and ships) and the additions from the Hungarian sub-tree (tanks and aircraft), the data are quite disheartening. It’s something that’s already well known, but every now and then a bit of statistics doesn’t hurt.

Update	Notes	Date	TOTAL #	# Italian Tree addition	%
Update 1.69 Regia Aeronautica	Italian air TT	25/05/2017	51	35	69%
Update 1.71 New E.R.A.		18/09/2017	30	1	3%
Update 1.73 Vive la France	Pre-order Italian Ground	01/11/2017	40	2	5%
Update 1.79 Project X		12/06/2018	66	2	3%
Update 1.85 Supersonic	Italian Ground	17/12/2018	70	45	64%
Update 1.87 Locked On		19/03/2019	37	4	11%
Update 1.89 Imperial Navy		29/05/2019	63	5	8%
Update 1.91 Night Vision	125 items since PRC was added	11/09/2019	125	6	5%
Update 1.93 Shark Attack		29/10/2019	28	2	7%
Update 1.97 Viking Fury		16/03/2020	77	1	1%
Update 1.99 Starfighters	Italian Navy	26/05/2020	75	29	39%
Update 1.99.1 Regia Marina		08/07/2020	9	2	22%
Update 1.101 Raining Fire		02/09/2020	35	4	11%
Update 2.1 New Power		17/11/2020	55	4	7%
Update 2.3 Hot Tracks		18/12/2020	41	6	15%
Update 2.5 Ixwa Strike		10/03/2021	49	5	10%
Update 2.7 Red Skies		02/06/2021	40	4	10%
Update 2.9 Direct Hit		07/09/2021	46	4	9%
Update 2.11 Ground Breaking		28/10/2021	27	2	7%
Update 2.13 Winged Lions		14/12/2021	66	4	6%
Update 2.15 Wind of Change		24/03/2022	62	2	3%
Update 2.17 Danger Zone		15/06/2022	50	7	14%
Update 2.19 Drone Age		14/09/2022	50	5	10%
Update 2.21 Fire and Ice		26/10/2022	55	3	5%
Update 2.23 Apex Predators		20/12/2022	49	6	12%
Update 2.25 Sky Guardians		07/03/2023	46	4	9%
Update 2.27 La Royale		14/06/2023	59	3	5%
Update 2.29 Sons of Attila	Hungarian sub tree ground	19/09/2023	55	17	31%
Update 2.31 Kings of Battle		31/10/2023	29	4	14%
Update 2.33 Air Superiority		14/12/2023	39	3	8%
Update 2.35 Alpha Strike	Hungarian sub tree air	13/03/2024	47	14	30%
Update 2.37 Seek & Destroy		19/06/2024	47	4	9%
Update 2.39 Dance of Dragons		10/09/2024	48	2	4%
Update 2.41 Firebirds		19/11/2024	40	3	8%
Update 2.43 Storm Warning		16/12/2024	51	5	10%
Regular Events Rocket Storm	Event Firos	13/03/2025	1	1	100%
Update 2.45 Hornet’s Sting		18/03/2025	49	3	6%
Update 2.47 Leviathans		25/06/2025	60	3	5%
Update 2.49 Tusk Force		23/09/2025	54	3	6%

[YaSen]

Yeah, I know 😔
Also count how many of them are unique additions…

[paolgand1975-psn]

The sad part is, it would’ve been enough to just throw in a tank and a plane here and there each time, and things would’ve been totally different. There were updates where we basically got nothing, especially in the Italian tech tree.