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i need to rewatch all the hstvl vid cuz i do not know what video it is*
I mean to be fair Leopards Armour is grossly overperforming lol
The data were took during new update dev server (june 7th)
The dev data are now current (more pen at close, less further)
My post for clarification
Well its American and we know how they feel about America 😂
its this one
timestamp xm885 rant in description
So documents talking about the wrong gun if i have understood thing correctly:
So not really a valid source.
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well thats how it was at the time
What do you mean?
the gun is now correct, then shall it be buff accurately to irl?
There isnt admag bug report at the time, most sources included are for xm274, he made the bug report 2-3 years ago. Read the first sentences. They refuse to buff the “at the time” hstvl because they believe it couldnt do it
Here’s a more simple version.
The XM274 was confused as the main weapon of the HSTVL / RDFLT at the time which it is not and we know that as fact now.
XM884 and XM885 are the ammo for the XM274
The HSTVL and RDFLT uses the ADMAG Cannon. The ammo types are AAAC-1, AAAC-2 and HE Fuse ammo
(XM884 and XM885 should be renamed)
The current in-game penetration values are closely aligned with the AAAC-1 Ammo type.
AAAC-2 should be introduced into the game as it has better penetration values and would more closely match 12.0 BR vehicles.
AAAC-1 values from Conraire
AAAC-2
Current in-game
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As i understand it it has always had the same gun, just the wrong name. so the XM274 isn’t a gun it has ever had and thus sources with that gun wouldn’t be able to be used.
If there are sources for the ADMAG and it’s ammo then feel free to make a report for it.
If that is correct then i agree and a report should be made.
This would then count as a suggestion and not a bug report as adding/removing ammo types is at the DEVS digression.
This is true. Do you at least acknowledge that the current ammo used on the HSTV/RDF are to say the least underwhelming as a 11.7 BR vehicle? The post pen damage is pretty insignificant and that is if it penetrates at all
Massively underperforming*
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I haven’t played it in a while but when i did it performed slightly lower than average compared to my other light tanks in general, but not by much.
Checking statshark it has a better both kills per spawn and kills per death than the 2S38 (at their respective BR’s) that everyone keeps ranting about being to overpowered and wanting increased in BR, but i don’t know how much that is to go by and is admittedly of topic.
But in general there is SOOO much more that goes into balancing a vehicle than just armor vs gun that it feels a bit reductive to say that it’s performing bad because it isn’t getting kills.
Not as bad as my boy the freebrams
The Abrams series of vehicles are 90% correct according to available source material.
Leopard 2A7V is missing several hundreds(!) of millimeters across a lot of it’s surfaces, it’s quite likely the most underperforming MBT in War Thunder.
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id say like 60-70% or so
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Rough depiction of the areas which aren’t correctly modelled:
Turret ring should offer better protection than it currently does, but even if corrected to historical levels, it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference given that all of it’s rivals would still have sufficient penetration to go right through.
IPM1 onwards should have improved mantlet protection, but again, not really to the level where it would make a noticeable difference.
SEP and SEP v2 should have improved turret side protection against chemical energy munitions, but once more, wouldn’t change a whole lot given that you’re facing APFSDS 95% of the time.
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