23T is garbage outright full stop and 24T is never used because 24R is just better
Falls under “shitty FM”
Even if I didn’t think that GAIJIN (see: GAIJIN) wants all aspects to be at 12.0+ (see: F-104S.ASA, JH-7, etc) I’d still think the idea of buffing one of the strongest 11.3s to be insanely silly.
J-7E and the F-5s are both very good. F-5A is incredible even.
I get dogfights constantly. It’s a pilot error.
You’re right, if you hate J7E’s style, F5’s uptier, or Aspide’s spading, CN rank 7 sucks. I’m not sure if you tried aspide, I can tell you it’s similar to F4E’s dogfight-sparrow. Yes, not as good as MiG23ML’s R24R.
It’s normal for everyone that some specific rank of specific nation is not playable because of personal preference. I don’t like French rank 5/6, finally I paid for the premium MF1C200. All I can do is to hope you can get JF-17 quicker.
Oh I’m SUUUUURE you get plenty of dogfights, I truly believe it. I do too actually. I usually press “Y” on my controller, go down to “Custom Battles”, then I press “Y” again to “Create Session”, go to Duels, [Tournament] Duel 1x1 - Rice Terrace (or Ireland), and I get into dogfights all the time. I see where we get mixed up. I get plenty of 1v1s at 11.0 when I do that. You must do the same, because no way are you actively getting into dogfights on Air Realistic “all the time” in public servers. Sim I can buy, Arcade I also buy, but not Realistic.
Also, I used R-24Ts for Sim with the MiG 23. R-24Ts so they don’t get a tracking blare, and napalm to make the grind easy.
Literally just stay high below contrail height and launch pl5s at unaware targets. You have insane energy retention so you can stay fast very easily, and you have a top tier rwr to easily deal with any threat.
Or just bait others to dogfight.
I have the JF-17, I just haven’t really had much use for it apart from Ground Battles (and even then it is practically worthless compared to F-16, F-15, or the Su-30 and 34).
I usually hate early jets to begin with, the MiG 21s and 23s made it somewhat bearable for Russia and Sweden, and the MiG 21 made grinding the rest of Britain a lot better than it should have been. I figured I’d give Rank VII another shot due to my good luck with Russia. Yeah no, big mistake. At least China is almost done, it just sucks that I don’t get any planes that I like, because I love Chinese ground for the most part. Which is also hilarious since I absolutely hated tanks for the longest time.
I see why people are obsessed with Russian bias: Russians have the most consistent “good” stuff. I don’t really think there is a single BR where I don’t have a bad time with tanks and/or planes. Maybe early jets, but I just hate those regardless, but even they aren’t as terrible.
The F-5A is undertiered, and the E is good.
The J-7E is very good.
The J-8B is like a mig-21 mixed with a mig-23. Aspides are good radar missiles, and the J-8 is very fast too. Play it like a Mig-23.
The Q-5A and L will be overtiered very soon, right after getting an unfair and undocumented nerf.
The F-104G is garbage.
Well, if the Apsides weren’t hidden underneath three tiers, I wouldn’t have much to complain about. As much as the Phantoms such, at least they get their radars by tier 3.
So niche playstyle that will get me shot down by F4S spam, or niche playstyle that almost nobody falls for and will get me shot down by third party and/or TKd by teammates. Thumbs up
Are you really going to require me to post me playing games at this BR? Why would I lie about this?
it is very easy to avoid f4s, and its very easy (for me) to find and isolate ppl for dogfights
skill issue
Or just stay low and use your flight performance there.
It’s the internet, man, people lie all the time, especially to prove a point. I have ran into people just like you that claim certain planes are the best and you have a skill issue if you suck at it, yet whenever I have faced them, they suck in said plane. “Just gunfight bro” and I give them the chance to gunfight, and they can’t. “AIM 9Gs are good bro, trust” and then AIM 9Gs cannot hit me. People exaggerate their skills over the internet, people parrot playstyles that came straight from the Wiki, YouTube, or wherever and act as if they came up with it themselves.
The fact is this: 11.0+ is missile spam, that’s not the meta, that’s just the game. I could care less if you got 9 eliminations in a game with full fuel and guns only, the common strat, the ONLY strat to survive 11.0+ is to use missiles. Guns are secondary and rarely ever used. If you want to say different, fine, but that doesn’t change the fact that 11.0 and beyond is nothing but flares and missiles. You will not get far without either.
we have had many convos already?
Yeah, and funny enough, I can’t find you on War Thunder. Player Search comes up empty. Shame.
Funny how it’s always “skill issue” and whatever jargon I’ve heard plenty of time from MilitaryTok or whatever on my Facebook Feed, yet when put in practice, a fair, controlled practice… it never works. You can tell me the J-7 is amazing at dogfights and you are positive in it, but no doubt if it was in a proper 1v1 environment, that thing would fold. Because guess what, gunfights mean nothing in Pubs. There’s a reason why the F-15E and Su-30 are the meta at top tier, and not the Grippen or Rafale: because whoever has the best missiles wins. Just like at Rank VII, the best jets are the ones with the most missiles, which are the Phantoms. I may hate the Phantoms, but I cannot deny they are good aircraft.
sure, but you cant kill j7d w/ missiles either because its incredibly easy to avoid something like a f4s’s sparrow and you cant kill somebody with IR who still has flares and a brain. When it comes down to it, both sides will require a gun kill here to win since its too easy to avoid these missiles. In that moment, J-7E immediately wins.
Well yeah, Phantom versus MiG, the Phantom is bound to die. Phantom has the advantage until he uses up all his missiles, and if he misses all 6 missiles, well he deserves to be shot down.
yea, but its incredibly easy for the j7e to just dodge his missiles and force him to either run forever or fight and die, it has nothing to do with what the f4s player chooses to do and everything to do with whether the j7e ALLOWS himself to die to missiles or not
You’re starting to sound like me when I start drinking. “Did I tell you to hurl missiles at me? No, so what made you think you were allowed to?” Besides the ever present parroting of control issues, I cannot really see psychology being present in the game. You move, he moves, he hurls missiles, you can dodge them, there’s no allowance in there. If he’s smart, he runs away and goes to the airfield. If he’s dumb, well he gets shot down.
Then again, I don’t care to overthink the game. When I start to overthink, I get overly competitive and then I begin to hate the game as it starts to feel like a chore. Obviously you have better insight then me, but I just don’t believe there is any form of psychology, just people getting overconfident and making bad decisions.
Better yet, sometimes I yell at my own aircraft. “Did I tell you to roll left? No! So what made you think that you could screw me over by shifting that cross hair over?” One of the reasons I hate dogfighting in modern jets sometimes. I’ll have it lined up, and then it will shift.
If the J7E player doesnt allow himself to be killed by the f4s missiles (because they are very avoidable) then ya
Which will just lead to me saying, “what gave you the damn right to get hit by those missiles? Do you enjoy screwing me over?” I do that anyways, but still.