The fact is well known. It’s not meant to de-throne anyone, I’m just stating a fact, of course there was other work involved by other individuals but the radar scattering was work of It Ufimtsev.
Curious then that PTD existed in aircraft research for the A-12 and U-2, both aircraft that predate Pyotr’s works by years, heck, the U-2 was testing RAM systems as early as 1958, a full 4 years before Pyotr even first published his work.
That does not line up with the statements of Denys Overholser who has been quoted at length by modern authors as only being able to make the F-117 due to Pyotr’s work, which is not only false but a twisting of his own words.
To quote Denys himself -
“Ufimtsev has shown us how to create computer software to accurately calculate the radar cross section of a given configuration, as long as it’s in two dimensions,”
“We can break down an airplane into thousands of flat triangular shapes, add up their individual radar signatures, and get a precise total of the radar cross section.”
Pyotr’s influence on Denys’s work was solely the ability to create a digital means to calculate RCS per his own memoirs, however, modern authors have been twisting and spreading the belief that said above statements from Denys mean all of the F-117’s abilities hail from Pyotr’s works, which is factually false.
The primary driving source of design and stealth technology, per Denys, came from the D-21 project, the parasite drone for the M-21, from which the skunk works staff had already been using RAM and the concepts of PTD on in normal service, unlike the A-12 or subsequent SR-71.
In practice, the D-21 program was the true progenitor of modern stealth aircraft as it was the first to employ both RAM and PTD, and the man that made that come to be was Kelly Johnson, whom had never interacted with the works of Pyotr Ufimtsev.
In the end, Pyotr Ufimtsev created the baseline for computerized RCS calculations, not stealth, if you want a person who invented modern stealth, its either Kelly Johnson or Denys Overholser, or if you want to go wayyyy far back to even the concept of radar returns and how they interact with angles, H.M. MacDonald.
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Never heard of it
Can you throw me some sources for this?
Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed by Ben R. Rich and Leo Janos.
Denys’s memoir on the subject and his total tenure at Lockmart.
Isn’t this the same Deny that applied Ufimtsev’s equations to design stealth shapes which basically lead the work for the stealth on the F-117.
I looked up the figures you mentioned and they all lead back to Ufimtsev.
Yeah because people have been too stupid to use the Abrams for the last years.
The M1, IPM1, M1A2 and SEPv1 all had 60+% winrates after release.
The M1A2/SEPv1 are clearly top 7 MBTs in game, hell if you would give them to nation mains from a nation that actually know what they are doing, maybe the stats would show it.
All major nations have meh winrate around that BR lol, the US winrates aren’t that far out of line with German and Russian winrates there.
lets end this discussion because the ninja were the first to make stealth.
not that it matters anyway.
You’re probably right, but it may date even further than that
gets into a whole off-topic discussion about it for no reason
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On wikipedia right? The site who’s primary sources for such are a blog and discovery channel musings in the mid 2000s.
Nice work there reciting the same bunk I’ve already stated is incorrect and twisted by incorrect sourcing.
I do find it funny that you also choose to include Kelly Johnson in this given he never interacted with any of Pyotr’s works full stop, and H.M. MacDonald died 4 years after Pyotr was born, neither interacted with Pyotr, beyond Pyotr using H.M. MacDonald’s work for his project.
I don’t use Wikipedia for anything but trying to find other sources. You can quite literally use Google or any other search engine and it’ll tell you what I am.
pretty sure he made calculations saying a plane could do it but he never made one himself for russia as far as i know
the earliest stealth vehicle i can think of would be germanys stealth uboat which fooled the british for a while as it couldnt be found on SONAR as rubber mats around her absorbed the sonar waves
Did you forget they got rid of apfsds shattering? As a result the 25mm flat rate armor (still not volumetric after 2 years) mantlet 90% of shells bounce into and disable the turret drive. You know they removed the shattering mechanic and didn’t compensate the Abrams. They’ve done absolute crap to fix any of the abrams problems.
Funny how the Arena’s volumetric armor was fixed a day after launch.
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The M1A2 has received plenty of buffs ever since it’s introduction.
However that doesn’t change the facts that these 3 vehicles stomped for a while after their release, meaning that your statement of “Cause the US can’t have anything meta” is false. Not to mention that the Abrams is still incredibly fun to play currently, excluding the SEPv2 which is less fun.
Sure, except it was nerfed into the light tank that can’t take a hit that it is now. I’d rather play the RDF/HSTVL any day of the week over Gaijin’s abrams. Other than pixel hunting, the T series and Leos are much better at being tanks than the Abrams. It’s funny they got the Abrams so wrong, it should be the meta MBT. The mantlet is wrong, the gunshield is wrong, hydraulic pump location is wrong, and the turret basket is not the whole fking turret drive. The devs are cope soy boys that artificially keep the Abrams what it is. Just like they did with the Comanche after fking over all the preorder people out of the armor it should have. (still no reason given by and mods or game logs)
It’s funny none of the devs/mods/tech mods will acknowledge my gunshield thread. God forbid they have to admit the measurements they took from the M1 at the museum doesn’t apply to the M1A1 and newer tanks.
I give this post 10 minutes before some little soy boy flags it.
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Leopard 2A7s and Strv 122s maybe, but the Abrams (excluding SEPv2) have much more potential than the BVM and 2A5/2A6. Armor is not the only thing that matters, which is why the vast majority of the good players will always choose the Abrams over any T-series tank.
Maybe? Are you delusional? That’s a 100% yes.
Potential, yes, realized no. That’s how bad Gaijin did the Abrams. Anything above the hull frontally should be almost impenetrable, aside from shots into the optics.
I haven’t played the BVM but playing against it, I know that the turret is really well protected. Sure the cannon depression is lacking but players who know how to position do well with them. 90% of the bvm kills I get are just from people who have no patience and rush out exposing their LFP. They have better potential than the Abrams hull down. This should not be the case.
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Even in game the Abrams already has much more potential than any of the T-series tanks lmao, you just need to be barely decent at the game to play it.
It’s turret is incredibly weak outside of the few ERA blocks. It’s legit the same turret as the 10.7 T-80B.
Only when they face bad players.
Although I do feel like we are derailing the topic slightly.
Nah man, just because you believe that it has more potential which we can argue endlessly about doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be fixed.
Peep this thread Abram's gunshield info needed (found proof ATTN: Mods)(Mods ghosting this thread)
Indeed, well back to the Comanche, it certainly got gutted for still no reason given
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its great how you two are polluting this thread with nonsense… real nice. go take it somewhere else so those waiting on fixes on the RAH-66 can not be disappointed and just find off topic here instead of important updates.