That goes both ways, you also can’t name many top tier US vehicles that aren’t in the top half of the rankings without sounding delusional.
So saying this:
Is also wrong.
So because I posted video evidence that Comanche has armor and that the IR signature is removed via the tail section of the helicopter you guys chime in for what reason exactly? To detour the post to a point where it get locked by the mods? Seems like the same bad actors throw these threads into disarray.
Sure.
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Good, we’ve established that its not a measure of the actual efficacy of a vehicle itself.
One of the myriad of voices stating that it would be a gamechanger during the dev server.
Sure my guy, let me just point track launch them from the airfield and let GNSS retarget them to enemies, or better yet, just map launch MLs from the actual runway, I’m sure a enemy fighter can easily engage me within the safety of my airfield AA while I’m cognoscente.
What rankings? You mean the personal ones created by streamers and the like that are opinions? Top tier US vehicle WRs have been middling at best for years now and such is an undisputed fact, such is readily viewable online from all the way back in 2020. Reminder that opinions are not valid measures of actual statistical performance.
Beyond the T29 / US 6.3 / 6.7 ground lineup, the US has seldom actually been meta, and I doubt many people care about the actual WRs of anything below 7.7 today, do people even remember the tragedy of darth wumbo the fat being banished to the shadow realm multiple times or the italian rat car both being thrown up?
Good question, or the fact that the Comanche was reported to have CMs which was accepted and never came, or it’s IRCM that gaijin says stealth vehicles dont use because its counterproductive to stealth… even when the two flagship modern stealth fighters in the US and Russia both have IRCM systems onboard…
We can also talk about gaijin getting the entire pilot position wrong too and destroying the interior of the Comanche as well, or it’s HUD being all sorts of wrong and so on, but some people here would instead like to complain about how their nations suffer, which is sadly par for the course as functionally every thread I’ve been in which has been made for a US vehicle devolves into “but my nation is doing worse1!!!1!1 stop trying to fix the glaring technical faults of your vehicle!1!1!!11”.
Really wish we had the reporting dedication that the Japanese vehicle threads have where they almost instantly mass shutdown anyone trying to go off topic.
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Pretty sure it was Pyotr Ufimtsev, pretty well known fact.
I am?
Lowkey wish this was Snapchat so I could see your facial expression and tell if that’s satire of not…
not my thread at all…
Totally didn’t start it…
(Satire, to be clear)
And it’s not like Apaches got DIRCM, the direct counterpart to the MI-28
Oh hey are we taking the propaganda campaign that came to be in the mid 2010s, attempting to dethrone Denys Overholser and H.M. MacDonald as the progenitors of modern stealth aircraft, nice, I love starting my morning with a dose of recent revisionism.
Reminder that Pyotr’s work was primarily a minor modification of H.M. MacDonald’s optics theory, and to DARPA and the US, such was already well known, after all, such systems and the developments of RAM were already in use prior to Pyotr’s works were even published in 1962, with the A-12 oxcart fielding RAM and PTD components in 1961 and flying with said components the same year Pyotr’s works were published, December of 1962. Pyotr’s works were useful in creating digital models to calculate the RCS of aircraft, making the process of making stealth aircraft easier, it did not however invent the field of stealth technology, such pursuits date back long before even the A-12 existed.
I remember you being present in one of the discussions about the seeker in particular, would have to crack back open the dev server forums to find it again.
If this was snapchat I would not be here as I do not use social media for this exact reason, I like not existing on the internet.
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The fact is well known. It’s not meant to de-throne anyone, I’m just stating a fact, of course there was other work involved by other individuals but the radar scattering was work of It Ufimtsev.
Curious then that PTD existed in aircraft research for the A-12 and U-2, both aircraft that predate Pyotr’s works by years, heck, the U-2 was testing RAM systems as early as 1958, a full 4 years before Pyotr even first published his work.
That does not line up with the statements of Denys Overholser who has been quoted at length by modern authors as only being able to make the F-117 due to Pyotr’s work, which is not only false but a twisting of his own words.
To quote Denys himself -
“Ufimtsev has shown us how to create computer software to accurately calculate the radar cross section of a given configuration, as long as it’s in two dimensions,”
“We can break down an airplane into thousands of flat triangular shapes, add up their individual radar signatures, and get a precise total of the radar cross section.”
Pyotr’s influence on Denys’s work was solely the ability to create a digital means to calculate RCS per his own memoirs, however, modern authors have been twisting and spreading the belief that said above statements from Denys mean all of the F-117’s abilities hail from Pyotr’s works, which is factually false.
The primary driving source of design and stealth technology, per Denys, came from the D-21 project, the parasite drone for the M-21, from which the skunk works staff had already been using RAM and the concepts of PTD on in normal service, unlike the A-12 or subsequent SR-71.
In practice, the D-21 program was the true progenitor of modern stealth aircraft as it was the first to employ both RAM and PTD, and the man that made that come to be was Kelly Johnson, whom had never interacted with the works of Pyotr Ufimtsev.
In the end, Pyotr Ufimtsev created the baseline for computerized RCS calculations, not stealth, if you want a person who invented modern stealth, its either Kelly Johnson or Denys Overholser, or if you want to go wayyyy far back to even the concept of radar returns and how they interact with angles, H.M. MacDonald.
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Never heard of it
Can you throw me some sources for this?
Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed by Ben R. Rich and Leo Janos.
Denys’s memoir on the subject and his total tenure at Lockmart.
Isn’t this the same Deny that applied Ufimtsev’s equations to design stealth shapes which basically lead the work for the stealth on the F-117.
I looked up the figures you mentioned and they all lead back to Ufimtsev.
Yeah because people have been too stupid to use the Abrams for the last years.
The M1, IPM1, M1A2 and SEPv1 all had 60+% winrates after release.
The M1A2/SEPv1 are clearly top 7 MBTs in game, hell if you would give them to nation mains from a nation that actually know what they are doing, maybe the stats would show it.
All major nations have meh winrate around that BR lol, the US winrates aren’t that far out of line with German and Russian winrates there.
lets end this discussion because the ninja were the first to make stealth.
not that it matters anyway.
You’re probably right, but it may date even further than that
gets into a whole off-topic discussion about it for no reason
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On wikipedia right? The site who’s primary sources for such are a blog and discovery channel musings in the mid 2000s.
Nice work there reciting the same bunk I’ve already stated is incorrect and twisted by incorrect sourcing.
I do find it funny that you also choose to include Kelly Johnson in this given he never interacted with any of Pyotr’s works full stop, and H.M. MacDonald died 4 years after Pyotr was born, neither interacted with Pyotr, beyond Pyotr using H.M. MacDonald’s work for his project.
I don’t use Wikipedia for anything but trying to find other sources. You can quite literally use Google or any other search engine and it’ll tell you what I am.
pretty sure he made calculations saying a plane could do it but he never made one himself for russia as far as i know
the earliest stealth vehicle i can think of would be germanys stealth uboat which fooled the british for a while as it couldnt be found on SONAR as rubber mats around her absorbed the sonar waves
Did you forget they got rid of apfsds shattering? As a result the 25mm flat rate armor (still not volumetric after 2 years) mantlet 90% of shells bounce into and disable the turret drive. You know they removed the shattering mechanic and didn’t compensate the Abrams. They’ve done absolute crap to fix any of the abrams problems.
Funny how the Arena’s volumetric armor was fixed a day after launch.
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