Rafale's SPECTRA System (Gaijin, please respond)

I know and I understand, but it’s often possible to gather a lot of information, especially about the range of weapons, through the results of simulated exercises. For example, in 2009 in the United Arab Emirates, BVR and visual-range engagements took place between the Typhoon and the Rafale. At visual range, it was 4 vs 4. The French pilots won 4-0 the first time and 3-1 the second time… I know that in this specific case, we can’t draw any definitive conclusions, but we can already infer that the Rafale excels in close combat. The example might be weak, but there have been many other exercises regarding the capabilities of certain aircraft implemented in the game… Gaijin could look into this.

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You seem to be looking into the development of the game more than I am, so I was asking if you have any information about the potential arrival of a MICA IR.

I don’t know enough about the specific aircraft to be able to answer well :P
But i think the biggest thing to think about is the types of missiles they used during those exercises and what missiles are currently in game.

No idea. at all :P

MICA IR won’t come that soon, because they would currently be unbalanced

They will come when everyone get their equivalent, from aim9x to r74, pythons to iris-t or asraam, you name it

i would bet june 2025, but that’s just a bet

In itself, the MICA IR is a Fox-3… and France is the only nation to design Fox-3 IR

since its IR its a FOX 2.
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It’s just way to advanced compared to what is in game currently, there are many equivalents IRL but i would guess that those are going to be released around the same time for every air tree for balance.

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Mica IR is fox 2, Mica EM is fox 3

in game it would work lile a Mica EM, except it doesn’t give a warning on the RWR of your target : that’s where the balancing issue comes in

Do you have informations about it ? Never ever saw this part of the eurofighter advertised this much, and from what i saw eurofighter was always ranked way lower by the countries trialing for this sort of capability.

Most of it is classified, but the ECM on the Typhoon is always reported as one of its strongest attributes and a rival for even US systems.

I don’t think it’s fair or right to just conclude the Rafale is better without evidence or fair comparison. Both systems are too classified to make that assumption and it would be best to consider them relatively equal for now.

In game, if/when they are added, I doubt there will be much difference

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There are fair comparison that exist tho, even if yeah we will never have all the descriptions behind it. That is why i talked about countries trialing it alongside rafale and differents others aircraft and showing the ranking with the eurofighter lower. I know those will not help for the game or at least not to model it well enough.

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(video is in french but the ranking are in english so you don’t even need the sound anyway) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQZZe1WbRQ8&t=224s

Pretty sure Smin said they won’t come for some time somewhere, as it, aswell as other comparable missiles such as ASRAAM or IRIS-T are using IIR guidance, not IR guidance. IIR focuses on the heat “area”, in this case the plane, instead of the heat source, such as engines or flares. If im not mistaken, things like the AGM-65D or whatever already has that guidance mode, but I could easily be wrong, as I can’t check rn.

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The SPECTRA is just one of those things that will have to be implemented piece by piece slowly with each of the sensors being corrected/buffed. The IRST and TV sensor has to get fixed, the RWR has to get fixed, radar has to get fixed, correct amount of countermeasures as well as modularity has to get fixed.

There’s a report put in for the RWR to cue to TV sensor, this is a part of the SPECTRA system. Rafale’s TV sensor should be cued by its passive sensors. // Gaijin.net // Issues

I think you have a great point. They made a point to add stealth to the F-117 Nighthawk. People would have been angry and upset if it came to the game live without any of the stealth attributes.

Not only does the Rafale have SPECTRA ECM, but it also has RCS reduction features and IR signature reduction features. Both have been reported.

For the Rafale to not have SPECTRA, radar and IR reduction signatures is egregious. I know that ECM is not modeled in-game for any aircraft at this moment, but they could have certainly modeled sensor fusion which is where they combine data/information from different sensors whether they be active or passive. A big selling point of both the Eurofighter and Rafale sensor fusion. Not having any sensor fusion in the game is ridiculous.

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They added the mechanism where the TV would slave to the radar for the F-14 when it came. But they didn’t expand on the sensor fusion for the Rafale and Eurofighter, which is absurd since there was quite a bit of time between TV slaving and up until now.

being able to defend ourself with systeme like the SPECTRA is needed, to give you a precise idea of what is this systeme: “SPECTRA operates in the electromagnetic, laser and infrared domains, using intelligent data fusion from multispectral sensors to provide identification, localization, jamming and deception against a wide range of threats.” This would increase the chances of surviving, will increase the playing time of the games, and the fun…

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It will jam enemy radars so you don’t need to do anything in order to defeat ARHs ?
Yeah, let the game play itself lol.

We actually have that in game 😅😅

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one missile i’m sure is equipped with it is spike, and that thing can’t get flared, even when fired at low IR signature things like a helicopter

The only way to dodge it would be for a flare to get between the missile and the target, or to damage / blind the missile’s seeker.

In any case, they’ll either be incorrectly implemented OR extrememy hard to balance

it is suppose to be a realistic game, use your brain and you will see the sens of it

I predict gaijin might ready 5th generation infrared Air-to-Air Missile for fighter aircraft top tier after Q1 2025 and decompression max BR to 14.3

But attack aircraft & tactical strike aircraft top tier might receive 5th gen WVR Air-to-Air Missile before fighter aircraft