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I think with the new typhoons and su30sm2, not you super hornet, top tier air is more balanced. The rafale isn’t dominating anymore and it’s alot more competitive.
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lets not leave out a couple of things here
you were one of the biggest advocates for the 120c on the EF so you could justify a mica buff
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After testing the AESA german Typhoon I think that the team that has the most SM2’s and France on their side easily dunks on the other one.
Matter of fact german teams are so bad that in the SM2 I have 80% win rate, on the AESA Typhoon I barely have 60.
SM2 closes the gap way more than the Typhoon does, but at least it is not exclusive to one team only.
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It’s already no secret that I am a big proponent of missile advances for all nations, whether it is next-gen BVRAAMs or IIR missiles. I find all of it interesting. I was also an advocate for adding AAM-4B as well. Seeing more and more missile advances and missile fixes (for all) is generally my kind of thing.
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If I remember correctly, the C5’s were on the Strike Eagle too when the dev server opened, only the Typhoons had to wait.
True, but now I can get consistent 2-4 kills every game. AESA typhoons need to BVR more, the datalink is so much better now.
Well I’ll soon obtain a primary document that’ll state whether the current VnE is correct or incorrect.
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That’s because it doesn’t fit their agenda. This thread took a long time to get this number of replies, something the Su30SM2 thread did before leaving the DEV server. It all started with the whiny Chinese cry like almost time, and the Americans crying about their AIM-120 as always, and now nobody remembers that the Rafale dominated for a year. rs
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P-51H is arguably not OP. It’s 6.3 and half of what it fights are jets. Sure it’s very very good, but you can just throw the term OP on any vehicle that’s pretty strong.
P-51H5NA is superior to all jets below 7.3 with one exception: MB-326K.
I get you love to throw the term OP on every vehicle, but I don’t.
For starters, I was saying myself that I don’t like to throw the term OP around. There are very few vehicles that I will openly call OP, the rest I will call ‘competitive’ or ‘strong’ etc. When have you ever seen me refer to a vehicle besides perhaps the BI as OP?
Secondly, the following vehicles below 7.3 are stronger than the P-51H-5. This is not a matter of opinion. This is a fact that I am telling you.
F-89B
F-89D
F-80A-5
F-84B-26
Me 262 A-1a/Jabo
Ho 229 V-3
Su-9
BI
Attacker FB.1
Attacker FB.2
Strikemaster Mk.88
Kikka
MB-326K
MB-326B
Then, the following vehicles are in my opinion stronger than the P-51H-5, but I think a case could potentially be made for the P-51H
F3D-1
Me 262 A-1a
Me 262 A-2a
Me 262 A-1/U4
Yak-15P
Yak-15
Yak-17
A21RB
I am happy to justify any of these if you would like, I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m just trying to help you understand. The Jet vs Prop dynamic is not easy, and most players tend to underrate the effectiveness of early jets against props since they lack low end energy generation. I’d like to preface that for almost all of the mentioned vehicles, I have spaded either them, or close equivalents. I have played this BR quite a lot.
Of course, it goes without saying that I am saying these vehicles are stronger than the P-51H in absolute terms, not relative to their own BR. A lot of the vehicles I listed are rather sad to play, but you must understand this is due to how they fare against other jets, not props over which they have a 200 km/h sea level speed advantage.
The last thing I will say is that by “stronger” I do not necessarily mean the vehicle that you will be the most effective in. It’s quite likely that if I hopped in the P-51H right now, I get many more frags per match than I would in the Yak-15P, but I’m talking about the raw ability of the vehicle in terms of its defensive and offensive options vs the P-51H. The simple fact is, if you are over 100 km/h quicker than your opponent, you are pretty likely to be stronger than them if you play with enough patience. The Yak-3U completely stomps the P-51H in terms of energy generation (at least at low alt) and dogfight ability, but the P-51H being 40 ish km/h quicker on the deck means that they are pretty evenly matched.
MB-326B and Kikka most certainly are worse than P51H5NA.
Su-9 is hilarious cause the P51H5NA rinses the Su-11.
At a BR that prioritizes dogfight capability and climb rates, the P51H5NA is the strongest in the range having the best in-class endurance. 9 minutes of WEP without engine overheating ever being a concern.
Meta dogfight performance and meta climb rate.
Only the under-BR’d MB-326K has advantage over it.
And BI isn’t a jet.
And yes, jets can run away, giving P51s time to regain altitude which it gains faster…
Who is getting rinsed by a 51H in an Su-11 that isn’t someone’s grandma like let’s be real.
Not sure why you say dogfight performance is the meta yet say the 51H is better than the Strikemaster and Yak-15P which actually rinse the 51H in any turning engagement.
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everything people were saying before the patch was true, and becauce of the flight model buff its even stronger than we imagined
Yep. If it was F-18 Only, I wouldnt have minded the Typhoon sticking with Bs, but the F-15E getting C5s changed that and it got them from the get go
SM2 is definetly the aircraft im having the most issues with fighting at the moment, and they’ve been really blatant about making it better than the competition.
Like denying ECRS its 560 deg/sec scan rate because “reasons” so instead its 190 in all modes, vs the Su-30SM2s 230? (iirc) Its kinda dumb
It has barely been out a month.
The flight model buff makes the new one actually halfway decent performance but still inferior to the Rafale.
Let me know when the average KD gets up to 1.5 - 1.75 for the duration of a month which has been commonplace for the Rafale for over the past year.
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“halfway decent” literally the strongest plane in the game, sure the rafale has better flight perfomance and slightly better close range missiles, but the su30sm2 has more missiles, that are at worse slightly worse and when played properly outright better, on an insanely strong radar.
thats never going to happen and it doesnt say anything about the aircraft perfomance, rafale was stronger compared to its competitors than su30sm2 is now.
by decemeber this is how much difference there was in amount of played games, less than half the total games played.
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The turn performance and energy retention of Su-30SM2 is on par with F-15C at high altitudes.
The big benefit of the updated Su-30 flight model is that it doesn’t immediately grind itself to a standstill once you get below 1000kph IAS.
Why would you be surprised by this?
France got a plane that is for all intents and purposes identical to one they already had this patch. The flight model is the same. And anyone that has been playing it for the past year who isn’t a fanboy is incredibly bored of it.
In spite of that, it was still the 4th most played top tier aircraft this month. And this is for a nation that isn’t even considered a major nation. And it was still the aircraft with the best overall statistics in terms of win rate, KD, and KB.
For the average player, the Rafale is still probably the strongest plane in the game. Su-30SM2 and Eurofighter AESA give people something that at least makes them competitive. USA and others are mainly who are lagging behind due to F-15C/F-15E being mediocre outside of long range missile spam.
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