Rafale's reign in a top-tier RB?

We’ve already established the fact Gaijin doesn’t like to do decompression which is reserved for the worst examples of powercreep.

Sometimes you cannot decompress something without decompressing things around it as well. This can snowball and affect huge parts of our tiers.

Then express yourself better next time.

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They also don’t do the changes most of you are requesting. It’s no different.

I think the fault lies within the reader.

They are not, as most want drastic changes that are only possible with decompression.

I don’t think so.
We already have vehicle classes in the game, so use another word if you’re thinking of something else.

This is a massive statistical outlier. Pretty much anyone that plays the game understands that there is no skill based matchmaking and that players are apt to have good games.

Games like these happen due in part to skill but also due to a large factor of luck. You are not getting 9 kill games on any statistically significant basis.

This is like me arguing F6F-5N is actually a great 4.3 plane because I once got a 9 kill game in it.

then please, go check that replay,… and tell me how skilled are players in this game in average,…
you have all information,… and what i saw despised me,… i was completely stunned to see 4 aircrafts on a tunnel vision,… or that Super-Mystère B2 turning away when i started to engage him

there is so many things that doesn’t add up in order to say that stats aren’t flawed considering the LARGE amount of players per nations:

It does though lmao.
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The Rafale falls decidedly outside the MOE for his top tier jets(13.7+) above 50 games played.

Horrible example, since if your cutoff for something being OP is it overperforming by 50%+ and you take the average of all his top tier jets aside from the Rafale, his avg KDR is 1.382, which leads to:
F-15E: ~12.2% above average
Rafale: ~59.2% above average

Even when considering Rafale in the avg KDR, its KDR is still ~44.7% above his top tier jet average. Its pretty obvious he’s overperforming in the jet.

By your own arbitrary point, his stats demonstrate the Rafale is OP lmao.

No, you just dont know what you’re talking about, or are arguing in bad faith. All of his top tier jets with more than 50 games fall within the MOE except the Rafale. The Rafale is very clearly an outlier in his jets that he is heavily overperforming in, as it is in the game at large. Anyone arguing in good faith, and/or with more than 2 neurons on a consistent basis firing could figure that out by looking at his stats.

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The argument that you are trying to make are that French players are somehow better than everyone else in a statistically significant way and then using a one-off instance of yourself having a good game at an entirely different battle rating range as proof.

I’ll say this again. I have multiple high kill game records in Air RB under the old smaller game format and with planes that are not exactly meta defining. This includes American planes like the F6F-5N which are incredibly bad in terms of performance.

French players are by and large not exceptional when compared to their peers. I have done enough symmetrical and asymmetrical duels with French mains in SB to know the limits of their skill set. The last set of duels that I did against alex137_rzt resulted in him losing every single time save for once.

Pretty much every content creator that has even a modicum of skill agrees that the Rafale is over powered relative to its peers and they are not even using average statistics to make the argument.

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Here is a good recent example:

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not exactly that,… my point is that there is far more newbies playing USA than France, and this is a reason why the results are so differents,…

US players may have like 400k “good” players (as numerous as french players) but there is 1.6M doing shit nearby them, and not 400k like France.

But we can do the similar comparison with germany and UK EFT’s and see the difference:

german EFT have been played last month, 604.651 times, having 0.83 KD
UK EFT have been played last month, 173.383 times, having 1.10 KD

so German EFT have been played 3.695 times more than UK EFT
but it’s UK EFT that got the best KD result - by 1.32 times

what’s the call?

i used 1 game as illustration - but you still didn’t took time to watch that replay do you?
all of them where as good as premium players playing for the first time - but they were not on board premium planes,… let alone playing for the 1st time.

for real man,… go check that replay, it’s an illustration of what i encounter daily at ANY BR!

Oh duels,… when did Gaijin introduced duel mode? so relevancy is as limited as using a single game to say a thing (even though the former one is an illustration)

btw, you have on average twice he’s (alex137_rzt) kill/spawn results, and you try to give me that as a significant arguement for the average results of french mains?

That:
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fighting that:
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so it’s pretty normal to beat him up,…

CC Point : @AlvisWisla proved it to you already with Defyn not doing significantly bettter with rafale than anything else.

and Defyn is a pretty decent one (i agree), but many CC’s are bad too (there is how many CC’s btw?)
ain’t you CC yourself? (not sure about that one)

YET:
i never said that i don’t agree on Rafale being slightly better, but it’s only having an edge in short range, and that’s about it in comparison to other aircrafts.

i play several other nations and i had no trouble downing Rafale, when i cared to what i was doing, as i do play sensibly differently than most people, when it come to use Fox-3’s like AAM-4 or AIM-120’s, or when it come to get myself involved in the teamfight.

maybe i’m the one dreaming,… but it’s still, to me, not as OP as everyone thinks it is,…

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First off all both are sim mains and the duel happened in simulator difficulty

Second off all, a bit hypocritic of you to use their stats isn’t it?
How come it is OK to use them only when it fits your argument but not the other way around

a duel, to say french mains are bad,… different than 16v16 over 2M games

wasn’t precised

Removing the HMD and 2 MICAs will not be a massive nerf, and it will just put it on par with a plane like the EFT. It will still have a top 2 radar with the best missiles, and the best flight performance.

If we go and buff other planes, we desperately need BR decompression because facing the Rafale in a 13.7 is a bad experience, and more OP planes won’t make it better.

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2 Mica i agree
HMD why not
both at the same time? kinda disagreeing there mate

I’m not going to humor the idea that this isn’t a massive nerf that neuters the capability of the plane.

Oh dont you even dare dip into “insert_nation_name players are simply better”.
Because, watch this:

  1. Lets take some major nation, lets say USSR. Not 100% garbage playerbase, but absolutely not great either.
  2. Now lets take a plane that is copypasted into another three. Let it be Su-27 with a K/B of 0.92.
  3. Then take Chinese j-11, the EXACT copypaste of 27. Avg. K/B of 0.94. Exactly the same as USSR within 2% margin of error.
  4. Therefore, the CN mains are exactly as bad as USSR ones, within ±2%.
  5. Then take the 14.0 mirage, again copypasted vehicle. Avg. K/B for CN and FR ones are 1.12 and 1.13. Again, exactly the same.
  6. So if USSR=CN (as proven), and CN=FR (as proven), therefore USSR=FR. The “not 100% garbage playerbase, but absolutely not great either” part, to be specific.

You can argue muh minor nation players this, major nation players that all day long, and yet numbers tell a different story. Within ±2%, of course.

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Theres already Rafale fanboys saying it has no notable impact on the Rafales performance so its not worth doing lmao, y’all should get together in the french discord and figure out what lies you wanna spew on the forums before typing them out

Personally think itd be more reasonable to take away the HMD first (limits MICA HOBS capabilities and should bring the Rafale somewhat closer to its peers capability-wise), see how it impacts the aircraft performance, then take away the 2 extra missiles if its still vastly overperforming (limits game impact of the jet), alongside the FM nerfs it should have obviously, as that’d be the more reasonable approach to balancing, but I completely understand why people say just take both the HMD and extra missiles away right away and add them back incrementally if need be considering how awful the Rafale has been for the game in general over the last year as well.

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do you also consider giving MICA it’s proper flight model then?
in all honesty, you may be better in your argue than most people, but all i see there is nerfs talks.

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We are about a month away from the December patch dropping more competitive counterparts, I don’t get why there’s still this fervor for a nerf of HMD-removal/2-MICA removal this close to the December patch.

Just great, if 6 missiles + no HMD wouldn’t impact Rafale then taking away two missiles and it’s HMD shouldn’t be problematic.

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