You mean reverting unhistorical buffs
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No, I don’t. Anybody who says these things about top tier being ahistorical really needs to realize that nothing about rank 8 jets is historical from the jets themselves (almost all of them have funny FM problems that don’t align with IRL), loadout issues, missiles still using placeholder stats 2 years after they were added… etc. I care about balance more than historical changes since its clear gaijin will never fix the historical aspects of this game.
Balance in this game is a house of cards, so buffing the lesser options might not be realistic.
You buff all 14.3s to the levels that Rafale is operating at, which will make 14.0s feel like crap so you’ll need to buff all of them accordingly as well. Repeat this for 13.7s and below and you’ll see how problematic that “just buff others” argument is.
Things being meta is the problem here.
You are acting as if the French was doing bad ever since the addition of the M2K
They havent
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There are issues with pretty much most of rank 8 that can be solved, which usually leads to said aircraft being buffed. Further, decompression is always an option and is extremely effective.
Read what I just said above about decompression being always available, very easy to pull off, and very effective.
I guess you don’t understand there will always be a meta class and a non-meta class of vehicles at any given BR
How many US players vs how many france players, at BR 13.7+ , last month (october 2025):
using : StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
France: 688.648 total spawn in 13.7+ aircrafts
547467 Rafale C F-3R
26154 F-16AM
115027 Mirage 2000-5F
USA: 2.015.279 spawn total
482429 F-16C
814087 F-15E
471772 F/A-18C late
246991 F-15C MSIP II
About 3 times more.
don’t tell me that those 3 times more people are as skill in average than France players, it’s impossible.
therefore it impact all your metrics (WinRates / KDR / …), so your balance demands based on such claims are flawed.
I am acting as if the French nation as a whole rarely holds metas because they rarely hold metas.
They have been holding the meta for almost a year
Before a single nation at best hold the meta for a few months
You’ll note if you use your seeing eyes and not whatever you’re using, that I am not advocating for not fixing the current meta issues. I am just against nerfing the Rafale directly to do so.How does this relate to plane balance vs skill balance again?
f-2 never tested hmd tho thats different
hum,…
You are mistaken. F-4E alone was meta for on/off (mostly on) for 3 years+.
I don’t understand your wording.
So you are saying it wasn’t meta for 3 years straight and only for a few months at a time
No, I’m saying it was off/on meta with it being mostly on meta for 3 years. Words have meaning. There were small pockets of time where say, the 21bis introduced and it was better. Then the 21bis was quickly nerfed into being worse again…
Yes and those words mean that it wasn’t meta for 3 years straight
Which has no importance in this conversation.
the gap between the f4e and its contenders isn’t by far as big as the gap the rafale has to the other 14.3s
well english is not my first language,… but what i’m trying to say:
More players - average results got lower and lower
Less players - average results can be high
as the amount of players from the low amount are often more skilled due to many factors.
creating a problem to use Win rates or KD rates as comparison metrics
(not necessarly “you” directly, but “you” generally speaking)
I would disagree. The F-4E curb stomped its bracket save for the singular 21bis that was in the game at the time (germany didnt even have one) and even the 21bis ended up being worse after nerfs. USA then received a mega turbo buffed F-5E that further put balance towards USA.
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